Why do this? Because surveillance capitalism wants you to be less free. It wants you to be glued to the screen. It wants you to buy whatever advertisers want you to buy. But you can fight back by deliberately poisoning your data.

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[–] 64 points 9 months ago (21 children)

What's the tl;dr for people that don't want to navigate to YouTube?

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  • [–] 61 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Don't engage with algorithms, especially ones trying to sell things, like major corporate social media.

    Pretend to be something you're not, especially vulnerable targeted populations. This lowers their ability easily target minorities.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    Pretend to be something you’re not

    In my life, I was Noel Gruber who worked at Taco Bell in Uranium City, Saskatchewan. But in my dreams I played a different role. I was Monique Gibeau in post-war France! A hooker, with a heart of black charcoal.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    So the fact that I occasionally get ads in Spanish, despite being a native English speaker in a mainly English-speaking country, means I'm doing something right?

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I would say so. You can also intermittently make a new profile, and seed it initially with wildly different personal info and interests.

    It is a good practice to restart independent accounts and not reuse them on multiple devices.

    You can also silo types of information, like location, personal stats, email, browsing history, web searches, chat services, calls, etc.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    If you're on android, you can use an app like NewPipe to view YouTube content without actually going to YouTube. https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe

    On a browser, you can use an invidious instance like https://yewtu.be. That also lets you view YouTube content ad free without signing in.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    invidious instances never work for me, but with this one i could get further than ever, but when trying to play a video i get this error: “The media could not be loaded, either because the server or network failed or because the format is not supported.”

    what could this be?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    thank you object and slempt for your feedback. so investigating yewtu.be does work on desktop without any problems, but on my iphone it depends on which browser and dns blocker i use. can anyone recommend a good newpipe substitute for iOS?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    sorry, i didn’t find the alternative list, can you send me a link please?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Pipepipe supersedes newpipe doesn't it? That's what I'm using anyhow.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Pipepipe is a hard fork of newpipe. I prefer it myself because of sponsorblock and the danmaku comments.

    Those are niconicodouga style comments across the video.

    Niconicodouga is a Japanese video sharing platform similar to YouTube in function and age. I think it's older even.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    That's what that's called? I remember being so annoyed by that and forgetting how I solved it lol.

    Ya from what I recall newpipe was broken for a good amount of time and someone forked to pipepipe and it seems updated more frequently.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I wonder if you could make a self-hostable data poisoning automation utility. Put in a bunch of credentials for various social media sites, and it creates unintelligible usage patterns associated with your online identities. Not so much for poisoning training of generative AI, but for destroying any internal profiles any party might attempt to build on you by correlating your online behaviour.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Sounds like that alternative to Ublock that I can't think of the name of right now that not only blocks ads but also gives a click-through input to every single one, poisoning any ad metrics for the ads as well as any targeted ad profiling on you.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It somehow works less well than ublock, especially like delayed ads or more dynamic ones. Never a problem block any kinds of ads with UBO.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I ran this for a while. It generated some interesting ad choices for me.

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  • [–] 87 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (15 children)

    She's saying that when you use social media, only like, read, etc., stuff that you want to learn from or you like listening to. Scroll past the flight or flight stuff, that's the story they want for you. Your feed will quickly be a nice place to hang out and it will poison their data.

    Data poisoning can go a lot further than this. There are fascinating (and hilarious) videos by people who poison their music with inaudible (to humans) noise which, when it’s stolen by an AI company and used to train a model, will cause the model to output unintelligible garbage. Images can also be manipulated this way so that the model sees a completely different image than the human. Then there are the Nepenthes traps for AI data trawlers which trap the trawlers in an inescapable web of nested webpages of nonsense. The future is bright.

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    How does it poison their data to share your honest preferences with them? Doesn’t that give them the most accurate dossier possible so they can hit you with ads that micro-target your interests?

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I'm an amateur photographer and I post my work online sometimes. How can I use this on my photo? Can you share any links to tools and tutorials? 

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not sure if this is still working or not. They also mention glaze. https://nightshade.cs.uchicago.edu/whatis.html

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    an inescapable web of nested webpages of nonsense

    Like the most annoying webpage from the old Internet?

    https://web.archive.org/web/20030402051520/http://www.mostannoyingwebpage.com/v1/

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    The irony in this being a youtube link though

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    [–] 13 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    YouTube keeps showing me ads for surrogacy (as in, being a surrogate), which could not be more the opposite of what I want to do in life. Obviously they know I am a woman of childbearing age, but somewhere the algorithm got me very wrong. I just let the ads play though, to let them think the idea doesn't repulse me beyond anything I can imagine.

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    I watch a lot of YouTube and I haven't gotten around to figuring out the ad blocker situation on my phone.

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  • The easiest solution IMO is to download Firefox for your phone and use that instead of the YouTube app. I don't watch a lot on my phone, but that's what I did. Just install the Ublock extension like you would on a desktop and you're all set. Then you can also use that instead of Chrome and free of ads on the web at large as well.

    The one unfortunate thing is that you can't uninstall the YouTube app, only disable it, and every time you go to the site it will ask you if you want to open the app instead.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    "fight back against surveillance capitalism and malicious advertisers by watching this youtube video"

    Get a load of this! Can't make this stuff up...

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You gotta meet the people where they're at to get them informed. If this information was hidden away in some privacy/security-centered blog, a fraction as many people would see it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    There’s no reason to over complicate this. Set boundaries with yourself. Set a budget, cut up your credit cards, try the envelope system, set limits to how much time you spend on social media.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 8 months ago

    I agree that doing less can achieve certain goals.

    I guess it depends on what your goal is.

    If you want to avoid getting glued to the screen and being influenced by advertisements, your recommendations are spot on.

    However, if you want to make it costlier for surveillance capitalism to entrance everyone, then other options might make more sense.

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    [–] 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Could you just stop reposting this fucking useless video? 🙄

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    If you explain why is useless, sure.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I explained it the last time I saw it posted.

    Did you watch it yourself? I think it's quite obvious. She doesn't explain how you can poison your dataset. At best she's explaining the concept and telling you how to make your ad-feed more "wholesome".

    Also, the script reeks of slop.

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    [–] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The video doesn't really keep it's promise. It doesn't explain hou to poison the dataset.

    Also, I'm 80% certain that the script is slop.

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