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In light of changes coming to discord: Sharkord (github.com)
submitted 9 months ago by to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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This app is still in early alpha but I managed to spin it up yesterday and it seemed to work pretty well during my brief testing.

The github has been pretty active since the release yesterday. Note that this isn't my project, just found the Dev sharing it on reddit yesterday

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[–] 77 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Keep in mind that this project is likely vibe coded, or at least seems very AI assisted. (Copilot is mentioned in the .gitignore file and this was built by a single person in about 4 months) A bunch of security issues have already been opened.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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    • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (27 children)

    I'm so happy to see a few alternatives popping up already and I hope to see them fleshed out well.

    As someone who's pretty new to things like FOSS, self hosting, etc. I am hopeful that there will be a release that's more "idiot proof".

    I have a few friends who aren't going to spend time trying to learn all the small things needed to set up stuff. Hopefully I'll be able to set up something and just invite them and they just have to make an account in an app type thing to use. Lol

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (25 children)

    As someone who has been advocating for the use of the federated Matrix protocol for a long, long time now, the proliferation of new, competing options actually is frustrating to me. Technically Matrix is actually already fleshed out very well, has several different clients, and even has Thunderbird support so if you're already using Thunderbird you don't even need a separate client.

    The beginnings of Matrix go back as far as 2014 so it honest has at this point 12 years of development behind it. I know Matrix has it's issues, but it's by far the most secure combined with being able to communicate with large groups of people via federation. There's definitely slightly more secure options, because they lack federation (and thus don't leak metadata), but I personally am ambivalent about them because some of them have a kind of crypto-bro feel to the companies behind them and I'm skeptical they won't go down a path similar to Discord while Matrix on the other hand has been slowly but surely leveraging itself into a position of secure government communications all over Europe. So, to me, Matrix already has a game plan for staying relevant and staying solvent, while things like SimpleX or Stoat I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop and for the enshittification to begin

    Open source bona-fides are great and all, but for a lot of these messengers, I absolutely think not enough discussion is made regarding their financial plans to stay afloat whereas the reality is that while Matrix doesn't exactly have money coming out their ears, they have a slow, steady gameplan that is working out so far.

    The whole reason everyone moved to Discord was because it was a centralized place and since Discord needed to pay for it's servers, it had to find a way to finance that, and enshittification naturally happened. I think it would be foolish to pretend that can't happen again with several of the current alternatives.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    The whole reason everyone moved to Discord was because it was a centralized place and since Discord needed to pay for it's servers, it had to find a way to finance that, and enshittification naturally happened.

    No! Stop perpetuating this "they have bills to pay" nonsense. Discord has more than enough money to run itself and be profitable.

    The enshitification happens in services like Discord when shareholders gain control of the product.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-06/chat-platform-discord-is-said-to-file-confidentially-for-ipo

    Edit: toned down a word.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    I don't like Matrix because you can't sort and categorise channels in a server. The most recently messaged in channel is always at the top. That's not the UX I want, I want to be able to put things in places with intentionality.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    That literally has to be a client option. Pick your favorite client with a receptive team and request sorting as a feature.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago* (9 children)

    If it's not supported by the protocol, how is an admin's sorting of channels supposed to be pushed to the users in the server? It won't work, it can't be a client option. If it has to be a client option and it can't, then it's impossible.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I don't understand what you're trying to say. Matrix is the communication protocol between clients and servers. It can't dictate how a client displays those communications. It would be like TCP demanding that webpages be laid out a certain way.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    If it’s not supported by the protocol, how is an admin’s sorting of channels supposed to be pushed to the users in the server?

    How does my client know to use dark mode without the protocol knowing?!

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Are you saying you want the moderators of a Discord server to decide whether users on the server use dark mode or light mode?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I'm saying you're confused on how the technology works. There's differences between the protocol, user account settings, user account preferences, and local client settings.

    The protocol is how messages are sent and processed. User account settings are what your user is allowed to do and kept on the server. User account preferences are things that should be sent to your client when you log into it. Local client settings are things that the software you are running should know.

    Your group arrangement should either be under user account preferences, or local client settings. This is not part of the messaging protocol.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Your group arrangement should either be under user account preferences, or local client settings

    I disagree. On Discord, channels are sorted and grouped by the server admins. This is good UX design because it gives every user on a server the same experience of the channels, and doesn't require users to all replicate a bunch of the same work.

    What you're proposing as a solution is that every single user in a Matrix space is responsible for sorting and grouping all of the channels in the space that they've joined. That's a ridiculous proposal because 99% of users aren't going to go to that ridiculous effort, they're going to be happy with the default settings. I think your idea is better than Matrix's current setup, but it's far worse than Discord from a usability perspective.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What you’re proposing as a solution is that every single user in a Matrix space is responsible for sorting and grouping all of the channels in the space that they’ve joined. That’s a ridiculous proposal because 99% of users aren’t going to go to that ridiculous effort, they’re going to be happy with the default settings.

    it's so ridiculous that it's what IRC clients and Slack does.

    I'm sorry that I forgot to also specify that what you're talking about could be part of the admin settings for the specific server, which is where that information should be, which again, is not going to be part of the chat protocol.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The Matrix protocol sends the channel name and icon from server to user client. It's one extra field to add the ordinality. Two extra fields to add the category and ordinality. Adding your idea onto My idea so users can also reorder channels after the space moderator orders them would be ideal, but please don't mistake My suggestion for the idea you came up with.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    ok, well good luck with the other thread where the other guy is also trying to help you understand that you aren't quite right on what you're upset about. I'm not making suggestions, I'm trying to help you understand what you are misinterpreting .

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Matrix is actually already fleshed out very well

    LOOOOOLOLOLOLOL

    it honest has at this point 12 years of development behind it

    That's really not something to be proud of.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    LOOOOOLOLOLOLOL

    Compelling argument.

    That’s really not something to be proud of.

    I suppose XMPP's 27 years of development is embarrassing as well?

    Or are you just shitposting without any concrete arguments for what you're saying? I won't argue well thought out arguments, but this shit is just childish. You can do better, artyom.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I suppose XMPP's 27 years of development is embarrassing as well?

    With the limited time I have spent with XMPP it seems to work much better.

    Or are you just shitposting without any concrete arguments for what you're saying?

    Thought it was pretty clear. Matrix sucks. I don't have "concrete arguments", just experience. Messages and images that fail to load, encryption failure, devices being marked as unverified randomly so I can't chat with anyone, messages missing entirely from the feed, device verification failures, I mean the list goes on. On top of all that, it's slow as hell. It's a joke.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Thought it was pretty clear. Matrix sucks.

    LOOOOOLOLOLOLOL

    I mean I wouldn't say the original message was clear at all that you as an individual have had bad experiences. There are also people who may have things to say from a development standpoint beyond just "I have personally had bad experiences with it." So, sorry you had bad experiences, but to be perfectly clear "LOOOOOLOLOLOLOL" doesn't actually tell anyone anything at all. Thanks, however, for the clarification. I haven't had issues like that with Matrix in a long time now, but I've been using it off-and-on since 2018-ish.

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    • [–] [B] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I recommend https://conversejs.org/ or https://github.com/processone/fluux-messenger which are both running on tried-and-tested platforms (XMPP).

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    • [+] 14 points 9 months ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    It's got a better name

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    • [–] 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    (see: A/C chargers, character encoding, instant messaging, etc.)

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    • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I managed to spin it up yesterday and it seemed to work pretty well during my brief testing.

    Can we see? As usual the dev tells us virtually nothing about it.

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    • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Exactly what changes are being made? I see age verification, but other than that, anything outrageous?

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    • [–] [B] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

    Fewer Letters More Letters
    IP Internet Protocol
    TCP Transmission Control Protocol, most often over IP
    XMPP Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol ('Jabber') for open instant messaging

    2 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 7 acronyms.

    [Thread #84 for this comm, first seen 11th Feb 2026, 17:30] [FAQ] [Full list] [Contact] [Source code]

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