found this on a linus tech tips video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4e-Kt02rfc

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[–] 56 points 9 months ago

The fine print is worse. If you cancel, you owe a fee equal to the rental price for the remainder of the year.

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  • [–] 79 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Companies pivoting to rent seeking is an awful trend.

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    [–] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    e machines did this back in the 90's/00's to predictably failed results.

    Everything old is new again...

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    What is surprising about this? LLMs are giant memory consumers.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    yea, i’m surprised, 32GB is goddamn ridiculous for anything, let alone for a shitty hp branded autocorrect

    32GB is actually considered the bare minimum for most of the common locally run LLM models. Most folks don't run a locally run LLM. They use a cloud service, so they don't need a huge pile of RAM locally. However, more privacy focused or heavy users with cost concerns might choose to run an LLM locally so they're not paying per token. With regards to locally run LLMs, this would be comparable to renting car when you need it vs buying one outright. If you only need a car once a year, renting is clearly the better choice. If you're driving to work everyday then clearly buying the car yourself is a better deal overall.

    You are perfectly fine not liking AI, but you're also out-of-touch if you think 32GB is too big for anything. Lots of other use cases need 32GB or more and have nothing to do with AI.

    I agree with your frustration with subscription laptops. I hope people don't use it.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It all reads like a giant racket. AI requires 32GB of RAM on your laptop, 32GB of RAM is expensive, so you have to lease, and it's expensive because AI requires RAM to run in the cloud. It's a problem in search of a solution, and it keeps making new problems along the way.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Its only a problem if you want to run AI. If you don't want AI locally or cloud based, then no need to spend the money on the high end 32GB model (for AI purposes) or paying for a cloud subscription. No one is required to get the 32GB model if they don't want it.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I can't wait for the the renewal where the price doubles, the speed is limited to protect the battery, the privacy policy changes and they share your browsing data in real time, sell your fingerprints and facial recognition data and give you kne day to renew at the higher price or cancel without penalty like those cocksuckers at Adobe do.

    The exec behind that needs to be homeless

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    Nothing says trustworthy like half a kilometre of disclaimers

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This is the start of corporations trying to completely phase out owning your own hardware.

    This needs to fail hard or it will spread to every other major vendor. But in this timeline every evil deed seems to succeed and be rewarded. Be sure to hoard your old hardware, you'll likely need it later.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This is the start of corporations trying to completely phase out owning your own hardware.

    No, this is just a company that is trying to rename the old leasing concept.

    This needs to fail hard or it will spread to every other major vendor. But in this timeline every evil deed seems to succeed and be rewarded. Be sure to hoard your old hardware, you’ll likely need it later.

    In the enterprise world this is already a thing, companies already lease many devices (pc, laptop, copy machines, cars, phones etc), it not seems to be that much different.

    In the private world, if you have the option to keep the laptop at the end the the rent period, you basically paid for the laptop in instalments, which again it nothing really new, it is already used for phones.

    In my opinion the only real big problem is if they stop selling the laptop and only allow you to rent them

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago*

    mmmmm lets see here

    for the pavillion 16...

    $34.99 a month with no protection plans available and no option to buy out over time and requires a 650 credit score...

    or $979.99 for a one off purchase with the ability to have a protection plan ontop of it (this same laptop is also on a sale via HP for 429$ if you use their financing system...)

    I don't see how this is helpful to the general consumer. The typical user doesn't replace their laptop every year, and at the prices they give you end up breaking even around 2 years. You would need to be processing an upgrade at least every 2.3 years in order to make your money worth it. I've had the same laptop for 8+ years now. I don't know anyone who had a laptop fail outside of accidental damage prior to the 2 year mark. Most system issues appear prior to the one year warranty end date if something was /going/ to happen.

    I can see how this could be helpful for a company that has temp workers.. but even then it's not like the company couldn't just re-provision the laptop and give it to the next person.

    I could see this being more handy if accidental was included on it, but out of the current offerings it's just not worth it for anyone.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago*

    $85 a month for a mediocre laptop that I'm probably not allowed to modify in any way? Yeah, nah.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Not so distant future. Subscriptions on premium air... basic air includes toxins. Same for water. The fuckers that created the contamination are the ones selling the subscription. CAPITALISM!

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    Ever since my first HP laptop -- before I knew any better -- I have despised HP and every product of theirs I've ever had to use. Consumer laptops full of bloatware. Online knowledge bases poorly designed. Printers full of bugs. Gah, they're just the worst.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    Fuck HP and everything they sell

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    HP has happily facilitated occupation, apartheid and genocide for decades. Fuck em straight to hell

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    This sounds like leasing renamed. Not unusual in the enterprise space.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    mouse clicks are refillable

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    It's not unlike leasing a car. It has its (tax) advantages.

    Having said that, this is Needful Things level of deal.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    I really wonder who would (basically) rent a laptop. You can get used ones so cheap.

    *This does not seem aimed at business.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    businesses used to rent computers all the time but im not sure how many do in this millenia.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    It's still likely less hassle than amortising capital expenses for something that will likely be written off well before end of life and then needing to dispose of it. As a consumer of fire sale disposed laptops, renting shouldn't be allowed.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    This doesn't seem aimed at businesses.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    yeah just responding in general. If it was cheap enough I could see doing it but it would have to be quite a savings because I keep my stuff going for awhile. Figure the yearly cost could not be any higher than 20% new but the cost would either have to go down over time or they would need to swap out for a new one each year.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    My employer leases our computers for 3-5 years. I get a new model when my lease runs out. I don't really mind the guaranteed refresh except having to move all my stuff over. I would be way more pissed if they moved to BYOD.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Add this to the post of reasons I stopped buying and selling HP.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    The Epstein class of billionaires demand that all serfs enter subscription for living, if you do not comply your taxes will find someone willing to enforce it. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    bill gates level syphilitic abortion of a forced hardware upgrade

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'm sure they'd love this.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Didn't everyone start off with a year in that movie?

    That was the most unrealistic part, they'd absolutely make you pay upfront or you would just die instantly the moment you hit 21 or whatever the age limit was.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    How is that laptop $3000?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    These also come with a 5G subscription. Not saying it justifies the price, and I don't know what that would cost separately. But some of these prices are less than the cost of an ISP plan.

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