Is that really surprising ? Media owner name are on the list even if it not out yet
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Sanewashing is the act of minimizing the perceived radical aspects of a person or idea in order to make them appear more acceptable to a wider audience. The term was initially coined in online discussions about defunding the police in 2020, but it has come to greater prominence in critique of media practices relating to Donald Trump in the 2024 United States presidential election.
On the Epstein files:
- People keep posting on a site that directly finances someone featuring prominently in the Epstein files.
They've been sane washing all of the heinous bullshit for a while now.
- Why do you have an account on xhitter, the site where Ellmon Grosk generates pedo images?
I was called "young woman" when I was 15, maybe earlier. Is this abnormal?
No, they want to get you in the adult mindset as soon as possible, so they can make money off your work 😞
It would have been if they weren't using young, like in the post
Well someone who is 18 is also a "young woman." So someone who is 17 would be an "underage young woman." But that's clunky -- thus, "underage woman." IDK why people think this is a psy-op, seems like natural English to me.
It’s not incorrect language, but it is a deliberate choice to use language that minimizes the offense. They could describe the victims as children , teens, minors, girls, etc. They are deliberately saying “underage woman” instead of “15 (or 13) year old girl” because their editors will pull it for being too inflammatory, sensational or unprofessional (as if that is a regular concern in the modern press).
A similar thing happens when the police kill someone. All of a sudden all of the rules about using active voice for good writing go out the window and it’s “man dies in police involved shooting” rather than “Police shot man.” People who study journalism and writing in school and are full time career writers and journalists absolutely think about word choice so I have a hard time believing that this is accidental.
I'm willing to give the news some benefit of the doubt here because there actually are rational and non-evil reasons to do this.
Socially, we have at least two related, but distinct forms of sexual atrocity.
One is sex with children. There's extensive evidence that sex before puberty leads to all kinds of long term negative effects for the victim.
The other is non-consent. No matter what the age of the people involved, non-consent has serious negative consequences for the victim.
The Epstein victims all seem to be extremely young post-adolescents. We generally wouldn't care at all if they were getting it on with their high-school sweethearts.
The problem with the Epstein victims was primarily one of consent. There was a vast human trafficking network and many of our leaders were active participants. The whole thing was so horrible that normal people are sickened by it happening to anyone, not just children.
The reason we may want to be sticklers on this point is that this form of abuse is extremely common and really needs a spotlight on it. We don't want people to come out the other end of this thing and think, "Sure pedophilia is bad but this guy is just pressuring his 18 year old secretary into sex and then making money passing her around to his buddies."
I'm willing to give the news some benefit of the doubt here because there actually are rational and non-evil reasons to do this.
I'm not. They've been bending the narrative with this wishy washy rhetoric so much recently that they need the backlash. Even if incompetence, it's been an persistent pattern on their part. Trump is a fascist dictator, nothing he does is legally justified or anything near our old standard of "normal", and yet they have been pretending that we still live in a stable world because they don't want their interests threatened.
Also, this whole "they were post-adolescent" distinction is a waste of time. This shit is evil and anyone litigating nuance isn't worth serious debate. It's all delay tactics. Words are only tools to them.
I’ve seen some mention of prepubescent kids in the file dump. IDK if any of it has been substantiated but people willing to abduct 13 year olds are probably OK with abducting 10 year olds if that’s what they or their friends are into.
Of course, minors can’t consent but there are a lot of accusations of brutal violence, coercion and murder, in addition to the sexual assault. There is a lot of truly repulsive and vile shit in the files and we ought to have a justice system that brings it all to light and punishes anyone who committed crimes. In light of all of that, handwringing over whether it’s misleading to call a 13 year old rape victim a child is some weak sauce. Try hitting on a 13 year old in front of their parents and see how the “if there’s grass on the field” defense plays out.
I agree with her comments. It’s not close, but something like when Dick Cheney promoted the term “Climate change” to replace “Global warming”. Minimizing…
How is "sex with children" sugarcoating it? That seems to be a literal interpretation of what's going on?
The other two I can understand as reductive language but this is just calling a spade a spade no? Is "sex with a child" not just as bad as "child abuse" or are there people who see that as a better way of phrasing it?
The nuance is that “sex” requires consent, because sex without consent is rape. So sex with a non-consenting person (including all children) can’t exist, because it’s actually raping children.
It’s more of a nitpicky difference than the others because I’d bet your average adult doesn’t bother thinking about that nuance, but it does carry a different subconscious weight. One is considered fun, happy, and almost everyone does it; the other is a monstrous act that has no justification.
Age of consent varies by country with many developed nations having it at 16. If these women were 16 or 17, the far greater crime is the trafficking and coercion.
consent
Minors can not consent legally.
You've spent a lot of effort carving out a gray area in which you can justify raping children.
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