A lot has happened in the past month: the EU Commission (the executive branch of the EU) publicly attacked the three largest porn sites — including us — over our supposed obligation to prevent minor access, while completely ignoring far larger mainstream platforms.

AV implementation was also scheduled to begin in France in June 2025, but was later halted — though only temporarily. However, it is set to come into effect next month in the UK — July 2025.

And just yesterday — June 27 — the U.S. Supreme Court (SCOTUS) issued a devastating decision that opens the door to broad state regulation of adult content, effectively allowing AV laws with minimal constitutional constraint.

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13 comments in c/privacy@lemmy.world view that post
[–] 8 points 1 year ago

What a thorough article. It seems that it is finally true; I just visit that site for the articles.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I'm not really against age verification, the problem is that I'm very, very against having a government backed database of all porn I visit. Nobodies really assured me that current implementations aren't doing that.

    Plus, at the rate we're going I'm not really sure how much longer porn will be legal, free speech rights be damned. Both the right and the left and the younger generation seem fully invested in 'save the kids' mentality these days.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    We need somebody to invent a way to prove your age without proving your identity.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Pop-culture quiz about 90s and 00s. Select what is a floppy disk from presented pictures of different media devices. Pick all anachronic buildings on that 2002 NYC landscape photo.

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  • Zero-knowledge proofs are literally designed for this exact problem! They let you prove a fact (like being over 18) without revealing any other data about yourself. Some projects are already working on this for age verification but goverments seem more interested in surveillance than actual privacy-preserving solutions.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Some users might even be tempted to turn to the dark web to escape this wave of state overreach — though we certainly don’t recommend it.

    If you're going to the dark web for porn, you're gonna have a bad time.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago*

    what’s likely is that users will scatter across so many sites, apps, proxies, and channels that they’ll become untraceable, guaranteeing the failure of future regulations. And unlike today, many of those new destinations will be dangerous, unmoderated, and openly hostile to enforcement.

    That seems to be the argument; that these verification laws specifically target dedicated porn sites while similar content still exists all over and is not similarly punished, which given people's extreme and natural aversion to doing KYC for porn will cause them to leave for wherever doesn't demand it, killing off what protections now exist against especially shady material and practices.

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  • 12 comments in c/world@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 87 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    No easy access to legal porn means illegal porn becomes more profitable. That's very bad.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Prohibition and the war on drugs sure worked out well when they were implemented. Surely this time ...

    ... I mean getting rid of standards and quality control ... and testing can't possibly have adverse effects here. Ah well. We're speed running regression in just about everything else: what's one more offering for the pyre?

    Surely the children will thank us for ... saving them ... when they are older.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's like drugs if you could Ctrl-c Ctrl-v an identical copy of your drugs Into existence out of thin air

    This is a super bad idea. You think they're gonna fear monger off of the inevitable result of the problems they are creating?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's like drugs and alcohol in that the urge is there just no easy and legal access to the same outlets. In the case of porn - I'd say it's gonna get bad.

    Will they fear monger? Have they wasted a single opportunity to do so yet? I'd be hard pressed to point at a time where we had stopped.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I trust Pornhub too not post illegal porn on their website. What happens when you throw everything, including safe for work books that talk about gay topics or anything Christians don't like into one big bin called illegal?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    ...or anything Christians don't like into one big bin called illegal?

    Not to lump everyone into the same boat but I'll take the low hanging fruit for the obvious low blow:

    I'll tell you one thing that those churches seem to like that will definitely not see an uptick as we make legal outlets less accessible....

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  • [–] [S] 58 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    One thing they didn't focus on is how it explicitly makes sexual minorities feel unsafe. When Pornhub enabled age verification in my conutry via soc media authorization, I freaked out and stopped using it because I didn't want my real identity being connected to my watch history in any way. It wasn't disclosed on entry if the VA broker can collect info on what I'm interested in, and it is a major security risk if one's state becames authoritarian and would get a handy database of people watching everything but vanilla.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Also I use Private Browsing for porn, so if I have to sign in every time to some third party age verification service - which is never saved logins because it's private browsing - that's an additional roadblock to mainstream sites.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    There’s a kernel of something positive in decentralization, though. Me pointing this out feels a little bit like someone saying how good COVID lockdown was for the environment, but I still feel like it’s an important point.

    An internet made of lots of small sites is better at resisting censorship and centralized control. People should remain accustomed to using a bunch of individual sites, not JUST the biggest sites on the internet, and amateur sysadmins should maintain their “host a public web server from an at-home business internet connection” chops.

    There being lots of small porn sites makes it harder for anyone to apply pressure and make certain kinds of affirming content disappear.

    That’s … just about everything positive I could say about this idea. Not a fan.

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    We agree with Meta (Facebook, Instagram), Aylo (Pornhub), and many others that the only effective solution to the problem of minors accessing porn is a systematic approach — applied at the device level, or at least at a higher layer than individual sites, such as app stores.

    Oh no, please, no.

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