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The Democrats are the undisputed masters of gaslighting (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 46 points 9 months ago

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    [–] 111 points 9 months ago

    inb4 someone calls you a russian bot

    Tweet by @JediofGallifrey: Liberals, to poor people on the internet: you sonofabitch this is all your fucking fault you worthless piece of shit fuck you. Liberals, to their elected official: it's ok baby there's nothing you could have done

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    [+] 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I guess you're staying home

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Mumbling?

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    [–] 35 points 9 months ago

    You can go back to brunch now. You’re welcome.

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    [–] 22 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    America needs a change in the political system. However, I have no idea of American law and whether that is even possible with the current constitution. If it is, both parties have not shown any effort to democratize the country by allowing smaller parties to participate, but protected their asses. If that's the case, enough pressure is needed to push for change.

    The idea of "democracy" is that all power comes from the people. I don't see that in America.

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    ... both parties have not shown any effort to democratize the country by allowing smaller parties to participate

    the democrats usually use the law to keep smaller parties off of the ballot legally to prevent smaller parties from participating.

    the republicans also do it, but it's exceptionally rare and so understood that; effectively speaking; it's the democrats who do it.

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    • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (23 children)

    The kesser evil, alas choosing the lesser evil is still choosing evil

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  • [+] -27 points 9 months ago (22 children)

    It actually isn't. When you closing 3rd option/inaction predictably leads to the empowerment of the greatest evil, you have actually chosen the greatest evil.

    A legitimate attempt to minimize harm from your given choices isn't choosing evil at all.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    As a long term strategy, or individual choice, this kind of logic leads to bad outcomes regardless as the lesser evil doesn't move a finger to improve things, which means the greater evil will win eventually regardless.

    Furthermore, both parties are utterly despicable with their foreign policy, constantly participating in coups, invasions, economic warfare, bombing, and more, all while pretending to be doing it for a GOOD reason.

    I believe the obvious solution is to get organized collectively and make democratic choices on short term actions (such as supporting the lesser evil) while simultaneously doing real stuff to combat against both, through learning and educating, protecting civilians, practicing mutual aid, fighting landlords and corporations with unions, etc. As it stands, intellectuals platformed by the same elites constantly argue about voting the lesser evil and little else, as threatening the system would go against the interests of those who own the media platforming them. So I'm not saying don't vote blue in a swing state or whatever else, all I'm saying is that our political involvement can't start and end there, because people are dying.

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  • [+] -18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Yup primaries are where you can shape your party and hopefully arent choosing between a Nazi and a different flavored genocide. Do what you can with what you can.

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  • [+] -13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Okay. It sure felt like the republican working class leveraged their vote effectively.

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  • [+] -12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    And yet, that is a huge part of their voting base. There just aren't enough rich people to be a functional voting block. They may have been tricked but they are voting GOP. That's reality. Denying it loses elections.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This is exactly what the OP is about

    I don't feel democrats are going to do anything for me. Yet I still feel heavy pressure to vote for then

    The Democrat party is so incompetent. The election losses are their fault. Stop shaming people for not voting for a platform they hate, and shame the party for a terrible platform of inaction

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    You have enabled genocide, the ultimate evil, and you act surprised that you've opened Pandora's Box and now the Box is open.

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  • [+] -23 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    Naw I dont think so.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Think whatever you want, an Israeli-trained federal death squad will be along to correct you shortly

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  • [+] -18 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    For real. Who should I have voted for to stop this nightmare?

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    -PSL

    -Organize with your neighborhood and city to form mutual aid networks capable of resisting coercion (like we were always going to be forced to do anyway)

    -Failing that, make literally any demands of the blue fascist party whose endless imperial dipshittery you slavishly indulged at every turn. Use any fucking leverage at all instead of showing your belly preemptively.

    -Failing all else, simply do not set the precedent that a candidate can run on the wholesale fascist extermination of an entire people and still receive your support. Simply do not throw 2 million human beings into the jaws of death as a matter of cowardice and taint yourself forever as a collaborator of Holocaust 2. Its actually super easy not to do that.

    That ship has sailed now, and nobody is going to want you in their antifascist organization now that you've loudly declared your willingness to sell out the vulnerable. I think at this point you should probably just like, crawl under a rock and never come out.

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  • [+] -19 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Uh yeah im not concerned with being a part of an imaginary group. The Lemmy desire to make believe that someone saying they dont vote for the violent dictator and are wanting to vote to make their party align with their values is the same as someone supporting genocide is stupid.

    This is why its such an ineffective argument. It makes you sound completely out of touch with reality. It reminds me of the various factions at the beginning of "The Life of Brian."

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    Imaginary group

    Damn someone better tell all those states they put an imaginary group on the ballot. I ain't even reading the rest of your bad faith bullshit, the fact that you don't care to do anything but support genocide and "didn't feel like organizing", and even now go to absurd lengths to defend your disgusting lazy slug fascism, has earned you a seat in hell and a place in a summary court before that. I can also tell you're exactly the kind of coward who will, when the tables are turned, pretend to have been on the side of humanity all along. Luckily you're as shit a liar as you are a person, and I doubt you'll escape justice.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Why would participating in the electoral theater change anything except increase the mass media's view counts?

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    • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They tried their best :(

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    • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    A plan - if it's not too late https://represent.us/ A video about it- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfQij4aQq1k

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    The FDR admin was pretty helpful. Union membership was declining during the Great Depression until the admin started implementing labor and union-friendly policies. Wouldn't have happened without organization and all that either, of course. Even the NLB under Biden was marginally helpful. I mean, the politicians obviously won't want to overthrow the system or anything like that, and a lot of the reforms could be seen as a way to save capitalism from itself.

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    [+] -17 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Oh are we already starting with the "democrats are just as bad, so dont vote in protest" memes again?

    Get the fuck out of here. This bullshit is why our country is what it is right now. Millions of people who voted Dem chose to not vote, and millions more repuplican voter did vote because of the election fraud bs pushing them to 'outvote' the dems.

    You wanna have a discussion about the problems with both sides? Save it for after the fascists are out of our streets, and back in the rat holes they belong in.

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    Save it for after the fascists are out of our streets, and back in the rat holes they belong in. back on the streets of those brown people countries, doing mass murder where I don't have to see it or think about it👍

    Democrats support ICE, Democrats support Israel, Israel trains ICE.

    If you don't consider the Democratic party to be fascist, it's because you don't see foreigners as human.

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    • [+] -16 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I was told there wasn't going to be any purity tests.

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    And we're just going to continue to pretend that Republicans don't exist. Because only the Democrats get judged around here.

    OP apparently doesn't know what gaslighting means.

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    Democrats? I think I've heard of them, they were the ones insisting we had to support a genocide and then sending riot cops to beat us down when we disagreed, right?

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    No that was trump. Remeber he sent the marines in to force the issue.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    No that was trump

    I was at UCLA during the Biden administration when the four armored pigs broke some college kid's arm in front of me, you lying little worm. I still remember the sound.

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    Traitor is when you refuse to support Palestinian genocide

    I mean yeah, I proudly consider myself a traitor to Amerikkka. If you're not at this point, you're either ignorant to the point of uselessness or have something unfixably wrong with you🤷‍♂️. But seethe about it I guess

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    [+] -25 points 9 months ago* (10 children)

    Ah yes the same people who abstained from voting or picked a "third option" and allowed Trump to take office. Na those people are just as bad a Trump voters.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Wait why is a working class party necessary in current capitalist systems when what we want is to overthrow the current governments and instate a socialist ones?

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    Should we Participate in Bourgeois Parliaments? - V. I. Lenin

    Even if only a fairly large minority of the industrial workers, and not “millions” and “legions”, follow the lead of the Catholic clergy—and a similar minority of rural workers follow the landowners and kulaks (Grossbauern)—it undoubtedly signifies that parliamentarianism in Germany has not yet politically outlived itself, that participation in parliamentary elections and in the struggle on the parliamentary rostrum is obligatory on the party of the revolutionary proletariat specifically for the purpose of educating the backward strata of its own class, and for the purpose of awakening and enlightening the undeveloped, downtrodden and ignorant rural masses. Whilst you lack the strength to do away with bourgeois parliaments and every other type of reactionary institution, you must work within them because it is there that you will still find workers who are duped by the priests and stultified by the conditions of rural life; otherwise you risk turning into nothing but windbags.

    Lenin's argument was that even if an electoral system is deeply flawed, participation is necessary in order to reach people who are invested in the system. In addition to spreading the message, it also provides a way to assess the strength and popularity of a platform, and it can serve as a means of testing and weeding out prospective leaders who might be opportunists.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    Wait, so are we meaningless fringe weirdos who can be safely ignored, or are we powerful enough to sway an election? Because if it's the former then you're just scapegoating us for the colossal failures of the party, and if it's the latter then that makes it even more inexcusable that the Democrats wouldn't even not commit genocide to secure our votes.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I love these asinine takes. I've yet to have a single person come up with a convincing argument about how I helped Trump, but let's see you give it a shot.

    I didn't vote for Kamala(or Trump, before some braindead moron claims otherwise)

    I live in California.

    California historically has voted blue for the last ~60 years.

    Predictably, Kamala won California by a large margin like any sane person expected.

    So how did my vote help Trump? I showed my displeasure with the Democrat Party AND Kamala still got my states electoral votes regardless. So how, exactly, did my vote support Trump?

    Or is there actually a shitload of nuance to this issue that you conveniently throw out the window? This is a braindead MAGA level cope.

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    [+] -26 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Never been a better time for a revolution. Just vote for someone that'll create a better voting system, proportional voting like Australia so that it's not this horrible two party bullshit

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Living in australia right now. We still have a 2 party system, we still don't have socialism. Still 99% of people you talk to will say communism works great in theory but in practice...

    I wished preferential voting would have changed things, but it doesn't.

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