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[+] -25 points 9 months ago* (10 children)

Ah yes the same people who abstained from voting or picked a "third option" and allowed Trump to take office. Na those people are just as bad a Trump voters.

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  • [+] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Wait why is a working class party necessary in current capitalist systems when what we want is to overthrow the current governments and instate a socialist ones?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Should we Participate in Bourgeois Parliaments? - V. I. Lenin

    Even if only a fairly large minority of the industrial workers, and not “millions” and “legions”, follow the lead of the Catholic clergy—and a similar minority of rural workers follow the landowners and kulaks (Grossbauern)—it undoubtedly signifies that parliamentarianism in Germany has not yet politically outlived itself, that participation in parliamentary elections and in the struggle on the parliamentary rostrum is obligatory on the party of the revolutionary proletariat specifically for the purpose of educating the backward strata of its own class, and for the purpose of awakening and enlightening the undeveloped, downtrodden and ignorant rural masses. Whilst you lack the strength to do away with bourgeois parliaments and every other type of reactionary institution, you must work within them because it is there that you will still find workers who are duped by the priests and stultified by the conditions of rural life; otherwise you risk turning into nothing but windbags.

    Lenin's argument was that even if an electoral system is deeply flawed, participation is necessary in order to reach people who are invested in the system. In addition to spreading the message, it also provides a way to assess the strength and popularity of a platform, and it can serve as a means of testing and weeding out prospective leaders who might be opportunists.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    Wait, so are we meaningless fringe weirdos who can be safely ignored, or are we powerful enough to sway an election? Because if it's the former then you're just scapegoating us for the colossal failures of the party, and if it's the latter then that makes it even more inexcusable that the Democrats wouldn't even not commit genocide to secure our votes.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I love these asinine takes. I've yet to have a single person come up with a convincing argument about how I helped Trump, but let's see you give it a shot.

    I didn't vote for Kamala(or Trump, before some braindead moron claims otherwise)

    I live in California.

    California historically has voted blue for the last ~60 years.

    Predictably, Kamala won California by a large margin like any sane person expected.

    So how did my vote help Trump? I showed my displeasure with the Democrat Party AND Kamala still got my states electoral votes regardless. So how, exactly, did my vote support Trump?

    Or is there actually a shitload of nuance to this issue that you conveniently throw out the window? This is a braindead MAGA level cope.

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