Not to counteract that there is definitely a decent amount of racism involved, but isn't your point about law changing hypotheticals basically useless? If the government changed any law making any currently illegal immoral thing legal, wouldn't anyone not care about what's legal? And just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Some states still have legal child marriage, that doesn't mean anyone should like it and there should be mass efforts to make it illegal.

There is definitely a middle ground between open border immigration and what is happening now. Not everyone who is against illegal immigration is racist, and I would hesitate to even attempt to claim racism is a majority reason. It's has become a thought-terminating cliche the same way "woke" or DEI is for the Right.

Hell even if you did all the paperwork correctly, as an asylum seeker you would have a small window of 5 years where.

• If you leave the US your process is cancelled.
• If you don't show up to the 3 random court calls in time your process is cancelled.
• Court takes place in the USA.
• You are not a legal citizen in the USA until you finish all the courts.

Additionally.

• You aren't allowed to have a job until you pay a fee and wait 6-12 months for the EAD.
• You still pay taxes and can't vote.

To be fair, many against illegal immigration push for going after companies who hire illegal immigrants. A lot of those many would prefer to go after the employers first, because you solve a problem at the source and not by treating symptoms. E-Verify and employment law are supposed to do that, if there is no economic incentive then most illegal immigration stops.

As for seasonal migrant workers, there are laws enabling them to do it legally. They need desperately need to be updated and expanded, but the legal groundwork is there.

Really? Huh, I hadn't expected that, and I hadn't heard. What happened?

I don't believe in borders man

wanting the rule of law respected

As an American, I would be mortified to use the phrase "rule of law" outside of a joke.

Any law that criminalizes behavior that does not cause anyone harm is unjust, and we therefore have a moral duty to disobey it. Your insistence that "respecting the rule of law" is not hateful is no different from using "just following orders" as an excuse for immoral actions. You cannot be seriously suggesting that it is respectful to tell a person they don't belong in this country because they don't have the proper paperwork. Fuck borders, fuck ICE, CBP, DHS, and fuck the rule of law. I refuse to accept inhumane treatment simply because the law demands it.

Too bad I have this moral obligation to disobey stupid laws.

The problem is that even then it's such a tiny "infraction," so victimless, that going out of the way to enforce it is fucking insane. It's like if we shot all jaywalkers dead on sight. It's like if we arrested everyone who ever went over the speed limit and kept them in jail for 90 days waiting for a hearing.

If someone is visibly committing a dangerous crime, and it turns out they should be deported, that's one thing. Breaking into people's fucking houses, fucking taking people while they are in the process of going to the courthouse to go through the legal immigration process, dragging people out of fucking cars, none of this is necessary, and moreover, it's fucking reprehensible.

"But dey broke da lawwww" a kid who smoked a joint doesn't deserve the electric chair bro. And they are fucking executing white, born-here American citizens in the streets in broad daylight for NOTHING.

So in closing, fuck that, fuck all of that.

yea, the problem is that it’s a shitty, hateful law that is enforced for shitty, hateful reasons

"You can respect a person while saying they shouldn't be in a place."

"This person is self-evidently in this place illegally, they should be tried and ejected"

On behalf of the queer community this sounds really bad. I've seen similar rhetorical lines a lot, typically to defend the removal of queer media and other forms of expression.

I have never seen these be used to argue anything good.

There is a difference between the more liberal "enlightened" enforcement and the more brutal (and much worse) fascist enforcement. But the liberal apparatus (while comparatively considerably better) was still never just

What would happen if there was suddenly no border policy whatsoever in the US? That anyone could come in at any time they like and stay as long as they like.