[a character looks sad in front of a sad city, under the sunset]
Things aren't looking great…
It sucks when the state kills people
Wish we could do something about it

[the character is now in front of their TV, showing ICE agents surrounding a bleeding corpse on the floor]
Wait… this time they killed WHITE people
This means it could happen to me too?!

[an angry crowd is demonstrating, holding various signs such as…]
THIS TIME YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR
I DRAW THE LINE HERE
TOLERATE NO MORE

2025-31-12, Keith Porter, shot and killed by ICE agents
2025-09-12, Silverio Villegas González, shot and killed by ICE agents
2025-07-28, Jaime Alanis Garcia, shot and killed by ICE agents

27 shootings by ICE in 2025,
8 of which were lethal

31 deaths in ICE custody in 2025

11 deaths in ICE custody in 2024
7 deaths in ICE custody in 2023
3 deaths in ICE custody in 2022
5 deaths in ICE custody in 2021
18 deaths in ICE custody in 2020
9 deaths in ICE custody in 2019
9 deaths in ICE custody in 2028

https://thebad.website/comic/vanilla_ice

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[–] 96 points 9 months ago (15 children)

Yep.

People should’ve already been angry. But better late than never.

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  • [–] 55 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Yeah. Memes like this are making the perfect the enemy of the good. Is there an issue? Sure. Is this the right time for that issue? I'm not so sure about that one.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    This is an opportunity to build solidarity that lasts beyond this crisis, which will be vital in preventing the next one, as well as in destroying the systems of oppression that got us here in the first place.

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  • [+] [S] -20 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    I don’t believe there’s a bad time to be pointing out racial bias.

    The movement is barely getting started, having a proper sense of scale by getting the full picture of ICE’s death toll only makes it more unbearable, that should make the movement more motivated, not less.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    When it discourages people acting for change from fear or guilt around racism. It seems like a purposefully timed red herring.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    how tf is saying you should've been mad sooner 'discouraging' being mad now? the only discouragement here is you tools saying - yet again, for the infinite time - that it's 'not the right time' to discuss racism.

    sus glow

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    The other side of this coin is:

    Why weren’t you speaking out about this two weeks ago? Why wait till people are outraged and moving toward taking action to say “Sure, you guys are all up in arms when it’s a white person…”

    Like I said, it’s always time, except for right when people are about to fight back and you kill enthusiasm and momentum. This seems so obvious I don’t understand how you don’t understand, and it makes me think you are right wing troll. Because if you truly care about race equality, why choose now. The fight that might come would benefit EVERYONE who isn’t a racist, rich, white person.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    The answer should be obvious; it's shame. Shame alters peoples perception of themselves and their role in a larger populace. You probably don't want to diminish their capacity to act, as that will yield less effective action overall.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    "People getting upset when white people are murdered is racial bias" Get fucked.

    Don't act like people are demotivated by the scale of the violence. People are demotivated because you're calling them racist for being upset when the victims happened to be white, when chances are these same people were already upset even before white people were murdered.

    Stop making up this imaginary scenario in which white people never cared until the violence was done against a white person. You're ignoring the countless efforts that white people have made previously for racial justice movements, all the white people who supported BLM, and all the white people who have been out protesting against ICE since even before they murdered Renee Good.

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  • [+] [S] -10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Damn you mad.

    Done putting absurd words in my mouth anytime soon or do you have a few more comments like that left in you?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The words truly are absurd, but they're a direct paraphrase of your message. Self-conscious wolves moment.

    But go ahead and ignore the part about facts that directly contradict your claims. It wouldn't be the internet if you couldn't conveniently ignore all the evidence that says you should re-examine your position.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    People were already angry. Why is everyone acting like people are just now suddenly getting upset?

    If everyone's effort gets erased every time a white person is made a victim, and suddenly we can't be upset anymore because a victim happened to be white, then what are we truly accomplishing?

    What's the real message behind this post?

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    That’s pretty much what I mean.

    This post is insinuating that a number of the people upset now should have been upset when it wasn’t white people dying.

    And I agree. Many of us were already upset.

    But making that point this way is unhelpful. It feels like potentially a way to divide those who are trying to resist. “I was angry before it was mainstream, you new protesters are racists.”

    Which could very well not be the intention of the person making the point. They could be trying to simply say, “Understand that people had already been killed, and if you knew that and weren’t angry, be better” or something.

    But it is so incredibly easy to make people in big tents infight and focus on idealogical purity rather than uniting to fight the opposition. And it’s something we need to avoid if we want to be successful.

    When it comes to fighting fascism, my enemy’s enemy is my friend.

    So on the assumption that this comic was posted in good faith, I think merciful correction or gentle disagreement is more useful.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    You're definitely right about that, but they're just gonna double down on calling our arguments strawmen and digging in their heels, when in reality they're the ones making racist strawmen...

    Lemmings gonna lem, I guess? 🤷‍♀️

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  • [–] 75 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I get it, but if this is the line for somebody, then that person is finally angry at the right people for the right reasons. You can tell them off and bicker amongst yourselves after its over. Just be glad theyre finally on the right side for now.

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  • [–] 56 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The best 'convert' is the one that got there on their own. They're already primed to believe us when we warn next time.

    We do harm by mocking the leopards-ate-my-face crowd when they finally catch on. Even if it is cathartic.

    There's room to tell them "Oh that thing we warned you about actually happened? maybe we weren't crazy", but we should then welcome them in and guide them instead of a rude "I told ya so" and no empathy.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Exactly. As the ol' saying goes: "the Right looks for converts, the Left looks for traitors." We need to change that.

    The reason the far right has grown so much is because of how they bring people into the fold. "oh, you were one of them libtards, but now you support our one true god Donald J Trump? Hell yeah brother, welcome to the side of the patriots!!11!1!" vs. "oh you voted for Trump, but now you hate ICE? We warned you this would happen, fuck you Trump voter!"

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I've been saying this for fucking ages. Thanks for posting it, it's nice to see.

    You're not on "the right side of history" if you're just driving people to the fascist right with your rhetoric.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Lots of people, myself included, have been angry about this for awhile now. But also, deaths in 25 were more than twice as high than the next highest listed. And 27 shootings 3 fatalities just in this year, and January isn't even over. Yeah, even more people are obviously going to be angry.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    ..but.. ..what about infighting? How are we supposed to do that if we think like this?

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It would be naive to think race isn't a factor here, but documentation of the crime is also a huge portion of it as well. I have seen the murder of Renee Good from at least 3 different angles, and Alex Pretti from 4, including the exact moment they shot him in the back. There are certainly a lot of Americans that would be more likely to justify this if they had been PoC, but there was also a lot of national outrage over Eric Garner and George Floyd because of how heavily documented those murders were.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    And the outrage over Floyd was in the same city and erupted even more aggressively. The citizens are being more strategic and thoughtful in their dissent this time so it may be more learning than a difference in specific response. While race does change the narrative you're very right that the visibility of the incident seems to be a major factor in the outrage and bridging of the action-intention gap.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Part of the reason we are seeing such an active protest movement now is that ICE is doing its thing in Minneapolis, which was able to mobilize the existing activist network that was created as a result of the police murder of notable white black person George Floyd. This murder was national news and led to police reform in a bunch of states.

    When notable white Salvadorian person Kilmar Abrego Garcia was illegal deported to a foreign torture prison, there was nation wide protest, with Senate Chris Van Hollen traveling to El Salvador. This nationwide protest movement eventually secured his release.

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  • [–] 84 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    "Uh Oh people seem to be uniting in solidarity. Guess we better find a way to tear them apart!"

    OP probably.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    let op vent. Black and brown people have every fucking right to be pissed at the sudden shift from the daily lackadaisical attitude of white people while black and brown people have been lynched on streets for decades for fighting for your rights. When black and brown people win, white people win. When black and brown people lose, white people keep on goin. White people are suddenly inconvenienced at the ideo that they no longer have a second amendment. Welcome to the daily lives of black and brown people you have been unaware of until now since white people are finally rejecting their capital W Whiteness.

    Previous years white people put up a black avatar on instagram for george floyd and brianna taylor. Now theyre willing to die when its white people.

    Major shift in attitude from the whites and yes its about damn time white people woke up to the violence. Keep putting your bodies in the front though and do some good

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    Gourmet comment.

    It's good to feel heard in the sea of fragile whiteness on display in this comment section.

    Have a beautiful day.

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