Trump never gave a shit about the gun lobby. They're just useful idiots to him.
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The government out spends the public. Dont expect gun lobbies to side with the people - they know where their bread is buttered.
In specifically small arms, I'm not so sure. I'd bet that the American public buys enough firearms every year to arm every American soldier two or three times over. Ruger and PSA aren't competing with Raytheon and L3Harris.
Americans buy a shit ton of guns every year. In just one day 200,000 background checks were submitted. If that’s at least one firearm per check (which I think you can put 4-8 per check) which is enough to arm the marine core.
If that’s at least one firearm per check (which I think you can put 4-8 per check) which is enough to arm the marine core.
Most military members don't even have a gun...
I shot like 3 shotgun shells and maybe 5 rounds out of a Beretta at boot camp, and didn't touch another gun in uniform for four years.
I even did a few months as security at a pretty secure base, they didn't even give me a whistle. Just told me to scream and duck so the people trained to use guns would use them.
I think that reality gets lost when people talk about how large the US military is.
Right. I guess I should have clarified that it works be enough for each service member to be issued at least one firearm at the same time. From what I’ve gathered everything is shared, and those deployed overseas supplied their own magazines in some cases.
It all depends.
Infantry in a war zone have their own gun and it's their gun, with them 24/7.
Armed guards doing patrols with a rifle or sitting at a desk with a handgun likely just got handed one off a rack they turn in at the end of watch.
If you want to know why US troops (specifically Marines) have to buy their own accessories, Alexander Skarsgard explains it waaaay better than I can:
Yeah, "gun lobby" isn't the same as "military industrial complex"...
They have two very different objectives and surprisingly little overlap.
Most of the small arms the military buys, they buy so much it eats up the whole product line, and is based on contracts that go decades between reissue.
Mr "take the guns first, deal with due process later" doesn't care about gun rights? Really?!
As others have said, he never cared about them. And the signs were there to see. But too many people chose to ignore those signs out of convenience.
Trump makes an enemy of everyone sooner or later.
He doesn't care who he makes an enemy of anymore.
He's accountable to nobody.
Let's stop pretending these stories of people "turning on Trump" mean ANYTHING for actual policy or activity going forward.
The first time anything MIGHT have any impact is after the midterm elections, and that comes with such a laundry list of qualifications...
It will require people willing to stop Trump to win those elections, but that's just step ONE, and that's the EASY step. Next, it will require democrats to be willing to grow a pair and stand for at LEAST one principle, it will require the executive branch to not simply IGNORE any directives or legislation (which they are ALREADY doing - talk to me when the Epstein files are released as required by law), and it will require the Supreme Court to not invent batshit reasons to neuter congressional power.
We are not at a turning point. Things will not get better until they get far, far worse.
Hates gun lobby, hates veterans, hates reasonable people. Nothing matters.
"They should be thankful, I'm opening up whole new markets for them" - trump, probably
Genuinely though, what markets? Because they were already very cozy with over militarized but officially non-military government agencies at all levels.
NGL, most of the 2a MAGA folks I know, are already on-point WRT Trump trying to undermine gun rights.
They are decidedly NOT happy about it.
So much about "We need 2A in order to be able to fight a rogue government". I bet a good part of the ammosexual 2A apologist crowd has joined the US GeStaPo or at least is contemplating it.
Alex Pretti proves they may already be too late to do anything about it. They gave their support to Trump, and now they've outlived their usefulness.
Reminds me of Parks and Rec where Leslie is about to lose the election but then their opponent makes an anti 2A statement and gets destroyed by attack ads by the NRA and thus Leslie wins the election
Trump makes enemies of everyone eventually. The only surprising thing is that the gun lobby thought Mr. "Take the guns first, go through due process second" was their ally in the first place.
I mean its crazy that if anything Ice created perfect advertising for the gun lobby.
They took Alex Pretti's gun and immediately shot him once he was disarmed. This couldn't make better advertising for people to go out and buy guns. It is a speedrun of everything 2nd amendment worshippers said they were against. And two other bystandnearby didnt have guns, weren't shot.
If you own a gun they coming for you as soon as you make the tinyest fuss. If you don't own a gun they'll shoot you next. Might as well own a gun.
Tbf many have hated him since he said that advocating for red flag laws and since he banned bumpstocks which opened up the ATF to regulate things they shouldn't have been (and they've lost a lawsuit over it, so now they no longer are thankfully, but he still opened the door).
I hated him before that tbf but my pro-trump acquaintances started cracking around that time (especially because I was putting pressure on about it lol, calling him a gun grabber and all other manner of true things, did you know he was a lifelong Democrat until he ran betting he could trick the Republicans? Lol)
Now, most of them still say "yeah but the Democrats are worse on gun rights so we can't vote for them" and tbh, they're not entirely wrong, the Dems need to stop shooting themselves in the foot on gun rights 30yr ago, the political landscape would look so much different right now if they hadn't wasted so much time pushing gun owners to the right and not arming themselves (well more accurately convincing their base not to arm themselves, the Dem party members all have guns and/or private security who carries guns because in their mind they're "important" and their base is not.) It would take the Dems a long time of completely reversing their opinion on guns and actually pushing legislature that actually helps gun rights before the 2a supporters are going to trust them again, it can be done, but it'll take at least a decade of consistent pro-2a actions. And it would be beneficial to do so, too, at the moment 2a supporters are pushed right then radicalized while they're there, if gun rights aren't a foothold for them anymore they'll have to work that much harder and it could even be used by the Dems to radicalize those people for good instead of bad.
Those idiots are easily manipulated. They will be fed their talking points in the next few days and be back on side in a week tops.
Not the lobby, no. Some 2nd Amendment fans in the public, but in contrast the NRA have already issued statements in support of Donald Trump's gestapo murdering people in the street over concealed carry.
The NRA quickly become mealy mouthed libs when a cop shoots a citizen on camera: https://www.fox9.com/news/nra-statements-minnesota-minneapolis-shooting-alex-pretti
I know X sucks but my instance takes forever to upload an image and therefor I have to ask you to click the link on that article to the NRA statement. https://x.com/NRA/status/2015224606680826205
It blames Tim Walz for inciting radical extremist violence.
Wake me when "Conservatives" of any flavor throw their weight behind anyone without an 'R' next to them on the ballot or vote for them...
trump has been harder on gun rights than other modern presidents even before this term...
A progressive that's pro 2A would absolutely kill it in any election right now. And any politician who isn't pro 2A at this point is telling us they don't have what it takes if it comes to it.
A progressive that’s pro 2A would absolutely kill it in any election right now.
That's insane. "Pro-2A" isn't a real position. The idea of a black man owning a gun is what's at issue.
If voters just wanted a progressive with NRA friendly gun views, those were a dime a dozen twenty years ago. They all got swept out by Reagan Republicans
Timeline check. Reagan Republicans in 2005?
(Legit not sure if you're a fellow millennial that goofed how long ago twenty years ago was, or if Reagan Republicans stuck around longer than I thought. I didn't start paying attention to politics until college.)
Reagan Republicans in 2005?
I guess Bush Republicans would be a better turn of phrase. But they all came out of the same White Flight that Reagan kicked off in the 1980s. The big Republican landslides of 1994, 2002, and 2010 either flipped or purged a bunch of the Kennedy Democrats from the Gulf Coast states and turned them into GOP strongholds.
The gerrymandering of the first Bush term also gave birth to a bunch of flipped House seats and state legislatures, ultimately paying off big in 2004 (and again in 2010 and 2014 and 2016 and 2022).
This is about the voter base. Most people who support guns and are anti regulation are Trump voters. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/06/06/gun-attitudes-and-the-2024-election/
Thing is, that base puts the 2nd Amendment before ANYTHING else. If it turns out Trump wants to take away their firearms, tey'll turn on him in a millisecond.
When I have to talk to the MAGA gun owners that I deal with, I bring the conversations around to the fact that Trump came out of New York City and he was raised in a political value system of gun restrictions.. He just said all the right things he needed to - he lied, like he alwatys does - to get the hunters and shooters to vote for him, but really, he is NOT for the 2nd Amendment.. Now.. they're starting to see it and take it as gospel.
Trump got elected playing to the white fear of a minority takeover of the United States..
I choose to play to their BIGGER fear, and that is of losing their gun rights.
The gun lobby’s care more about capitalist economics than they do about any actual right to bear arms ideology. I doubt any outrage they have stated is more than performative.
It was doubtful the wannabe dictator was going to allow guns after he entrenched himself - seems inevitable. I tried to tell the dipshits I know who vote Repubtard because of guns, but they're a smoothbrained lot.
The gun lobby cares about who buys the most guns from them. Currently it's the US government so they're not gonna bitch about it.
A necessary step in their plan is to eliminate all private gun ownership. Trump is just moving along as his handler/masters want.
I don't expect the gun lobby to ever full throatedly take a libertarian stance when the biggest purchaser within their space is the federal government and they represent gun manufacturers at the end of the day.
Strange bedfellows sometimes. He's made an enemy of Marjorie Taylor Greene, too.
There is such a history of guns in the United States, that there is no way we will ever not have guns. If there are going to be guns, I want more good guys with guns than bad guys. If the pro gun crowd turns against Trump, that would be great!
"Gun Lobby" is just another capitalistic industry that did successful regulatory capture a century or so ago. Who cares about them. The fact that guns are useful tools is beside the point. It's like claiming that Trump is making a an enemy of John Deere.
I mean, conservatives also totally forgot that he once said "take the guns first, due process second" and then promptly moved on and everyone forgot about it
If Democrats want to make Republicans heads spin they would allow open carry of anything for the purposes of defense against the tyrannical and fascist federal government.

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