In hindsight, I should've added a few more..

Repairability/sustainability: Easy to repair, sustainably produced.

Ethics: Anti-Big Tech (no Apple, no Samsung etc.), good workers' rights and supply chain. Preferably European.

Privacy: Speaks for itself. Privacy or anonymity, measures that foster it rather than feed data to others.

I feel like Fairphone would hit the Repairability and likely also Ethics (since it's a certified B corporation), but for Privacy, it'd be a Google Pixel with GrapheneOS... but it's Google, and given the CLOUD Act...

Maybe I could add accessibility there too, interface customisation (I like the iOS interface ways, but still, it's Apple), but that's a separate category.

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[โ€“] 43 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

The 'Fair' in Fairphone relates to their practice to produce the phone as fairtrade as they can. Mind, it is not perfect and I believe they don't state that it is fully fairtrade either. This often gets confused that it is fair of them to make it repairable.

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  • [โ€“] 24 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I remember when Fairphone firat came out, they talked a bit about their work. Their conclusion was that it was simply not possible to create a phone that had all parts from ethical sources, so picked some specific things to focus on that were high impact and achievable at scale.

    It's likely the most ethical phone you can buy, but that is mostly due to how bad most phones are.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 9 months ago

    Yes, I think it is nearly phrased the same in the link somewhere. I guess they also have to consider that it doesn't get much more expensive than it currently is. If I remember correctly they also want to be an example for other brands, and lead the way for other brands to choose more ethical materials.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 9 months ago

    This is true, I would say it is currently the most ethical smartphone you can buy today, though. If you get it with e.os installed it is also more privacy focussed as well but as a heads up e.os doesn't work with some banking apps.

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Fairphone /e/OS version hits all three

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I agree, the only (big) problem is that many bank apps don't work there.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 9 months ago

    There's also https://www.shift.eco/, but I don't think it beats the Fairphone.

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    Jolla from Finland.

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 9 months ago

    For those categories, it's gotta be Fairphone. Definitely wins in the ethics and repairability categories, and with /e/ I think it would be a decent contender in the privacy bracket.

    A second hand Pixel with GrapheneOS might also be a contender. I think buying second hand is a decent ethical choice and GrapheneOS is probably as good as it gets for privacy. Not very repairable though.

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    A Fairphone with e/OS/ on it.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    That's what I went with. It satisfies all three for me better than any other option on the market.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago (6 children)

    How long have you had it and how do you like it? Any major annoyances / limitations?

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

    1.5 months. It's a worse flagship and it's roughly priced accordingly. No major limitations or pains, although because of the privacy stuff knocking out google programs by default I've had to troubleshoot an app or two to get the onboard settings right.

    I'd recommend it to just about anyone except for maybe a grandma. Phones are largely set it and forget it though in my experience so even then it's a bit of getting every app loaded and set up and then never worrying about it again.

    For instance lieferando I haven't gotten working but nearly every other app was pretty simple.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    Rad, I'm sold whenever this thing becomes unusable. I'm on the lighter end of phone use so it sounds like I would lose absolutely nothing.

    What do you use for maps?

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Too bad they went for the iOS look-and-feel ๐Ÿซค

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    [โ€“] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    and given the CLOUD Act...

    I bought my pixel from a local store. Please elaborate about the cloud act

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  • [โ€“] [S] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Basically, the CLOUD act states that if a tech corporation has main residency in the US, it needs to provide a backdoor for espionage services, no matter even if data's stored elsewhere.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago (10 children)

    the best option unfortunately is Google Pixel with GrapheneOS

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  • [โ€“] [S] 3 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    But how do we know there's no backdoor fuckery?

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    In GrapheneOS?

    We don't. We just have to trust. But that's the same for everything.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    GrapheneOS is FOSS though? We donโ€™t have to trust. If you want to, you can look at the source code yourself

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, but will you? In reality it takes trust for most. Personally, I don't think I could tell a sophisticated back door [pervy emoji] from a hello world! script.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I wonโ€™t, but the code being open makes it easy for third parties to inspect. So I suppose Iโ€™d be trusting that other people who are savvier and more paranoid than me have taken a look and made sure itโ€™s safe.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago

    If it lands in there, it has a shit camera! Which sucks

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