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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 13 points 9 months ago (4 children)

For giving her medal to Trump?

Yes. Unless Trump gained a mind control machine since last we checked.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Yep, keeping him from humiliating himself with a token was definitely worth endangering herself and her country's people.

That medal means nothing in his hands and everyone knows it. I can't believe we're pretending she wasn't coerced publicly and that a "mind control machine" is needed

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

Yep, keeping him from humiliating himself with a token was definitely worth endangering herself and her country’s people.

What danger to her country has been reduced by giving (or attempting to give) Trump the medal?

That medal means nothing in his hands and everyone knows it. I can’t believe we’re pretending she wasn’t coerced publicly and that a “mind control machine” is needed

Fuck, man, she's a politician and a grown-ass woman. She makes decisions, and she's fucking responsible for them. She started her bootlicking for Trump upon receiving the award. I don't know why this is controversial.

Regardless of whether you think it was a good move or a bad move, it was her fucking choice, and people are right to ascribe agency to her in judging it.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago

And I don't know how it's controversial that a piece of metal is worth the risk of a dictator doing whatever he wants in retaliation. You ask what danger there is.. this is like asking what a mob boss threat is worth. Giving him that literally changes nothing except it makes Trump look pathetic and desperate on the world stage. No one thinks he earned the award except the people who already think he's God regardless of what he does.

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[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago

What are you talking about? She literally asked the US to invade. She has no interest in protecting her country. She hosted a webinar with execs and said if they get the US to invade she'll make sure they all get fat oil contracts.

She was literally calling for war.

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[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works [S] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

She could have not given him her medal.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago

Yep, keeping him from humiliating himself with a token was definitely worth endangering herself and her country's people.

That medal means nothing in his hands and everyone knows it.

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[–] guy@piefed.social -2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

There seems to be some limit to how far you can go in order to democratize your country. 🤷

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -4 points 9 months ago*

Not sure what you mean or why we're getting downvoted. The physical token of the Nobel Peace prize means nothing in the hands of a thief. Not sure why people are pretending she had much choice in this. The toddler would've certainly thrown a tantrum had she refused and it's almost certainly not worth it.

If anything, handing it over makes trump look bad for not only wanting it, but stealing it.

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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com -5 points 9 months ago*

Just like Lemmy to get butthurt about peace prize recipients doing peace prizey things with their peace prize medal in a bid to bring a democratically elected coalition to their elected position in their country.

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[–] f314@lemmy.world 126 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Unfortunately this isn’t a new thing. Knut Hamsun, winner of the 1920 Nobel Prize in Literature, infamously gave his medal to Joseph Goebbels in 1943.

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[+] TheBat@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago (2 children)

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[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 15 points 9 months ago (1 child)

I wonder if he ever told his partners that "I'm going to Knut!" during sex?

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[–] errer@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

He only Knut in ham, sun

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[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works [S] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I guess there is a reason why he isn't so well known these days.

He must have been a real piece of work.

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[–] f314@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Great writer! Not so great person. He’s very well known in Norway and considered seminal in Norwegian literature despite his less than fortunate political views.

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[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

This seems like a recurrent unfortunate thing in Norway.

"Burzum is very well known among fans of black metal and is considered seminal in black metal despite being a far-right white supremacist murderer."

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 point 9 months ago

Conservatives have artistic impulses as well, it's just that most of them are quite bad at it

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 72 points 9 months ago (5 children)

The nobel prize has been a joke since Kissinger won it anyway.

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[–] guy@piefed.social 29 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Nothing in the motivation for the peace prize says you can't start a war before making peace! This might be Trumps grand strategy. Imagine being the one who brokers peace in a war between NATO states. That's a guaranteed winner

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Kissinger investigating war crimes in Vietnam and Cambodia.

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[–] III@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Yet the war between Trump and his own diaper will continue unresolved.

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

While he is the ultimate bastard, there were others before him, like Willy Brandt.

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 5 points 9 months ago

Honestly, when I made that comment, I did think that he probably wasn't the earliest example.

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[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago (1 child)

You forgot to mention about the rapes and the kiddie fiddling.

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works [S] 13 points 9 months ago

Of course a megalomaniac fascist dictator doesn't bother to ask before sticking his dick somewhere. But that's just a danger to a few individuals, while him being a deranged dictator in a country that is a nuclear superpower is a danger to all life on the entire planet.

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 20 points 9 months ago

i mean it makes sense, she wants to run her country and appeasing the fat american clown seems like a good way to do it

[–] Lembot_0006@programming.dev 4 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Scientists always had more adequate and rational moral grounds than humanitarians. That's why I always against when some "bleeding hearts and artists" start talking about "morality" of some scientific researches.

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[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 29 points 9 months ago (9 children)

That's an interesting take considering the post is about Nazis and evil scientist is a popular Nazi trope. Feel free to look into Josef Mengele and co for some chilling examples of what "adequate and rational moral grounds" can look like to people. The whole Nazi thing was built on the "science" of a superior race. The moralizing "bleeding hearts and artists" are often keeping unscrupulous people in the sciences at bay and ensuring science is grounded in humanity, which it should be. Bad people exist in every field and no field should be considered above reproach from another.

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

Neil Degrasse Tyson becoming a ragecomic meme and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. We should never have given the I Fucking Love Science crowd a voice.

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[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago*

There has always been an air of anti-intellectualism in the US. If it wasn't Neil, it would've just been someone else.

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[–] Lembot_0006@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Life is not math. Exceptions are always exist.

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[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

And yet you advocate for the scientists over the artists

You’re not even a good troll, make it make sense.

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[–] Lembot_0006@programming.dev -1 points 9 months ago (1 child)

make it make sense.

It make perfect sense. You just fail to understand it.

Scientist: Have an overall understanding of the current moral of the current society. Specialist in his scientific area.
Humanitarian: Have an overall understanding of the current moral of the current society. Only in extremely rare cases can do anything besides talking.

Question: who can better understand the moral nuances of the specific scientific area?

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[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 5 points 9 months ago

Fun fact: You're just wrong.