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[–] 35 points 9 months ago (9 children)

The reason this doesn't work is because the "more" amd "less" competitors work on different things entirely. These are not mathematically correct statements in any way.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I think this is more so implying if-then statements rather than a literal mathematical representation:

    If there is more cheese, then there is more holes. If there is more holes, then there is less cheese. Therefore, if there is more cheese, then there is less cheese.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    The assumption that cheese has holes is not true. Many times I come home with cheese with no holes.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yup! The first premise is wrong, since there is plenty of cheese without holes—meaning that more cheese does not imply or equal to more holes.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    Can’t imagine the weight of air inside the holes is significant compared to the weight of cheese; taking a glance at the numbers, cheese is 800-900x more dense than air. Given cheese is sold by weight, more holes = very slightly less cheese, practically negligible.

    Now I’m curious about how much space a block of 99% holes cheese would occupy. Maybe something like aerocheese, with a whole bunch of microscopic air bubbles throughout.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Also wrong. There's an implied "than <other object>". For the first one it's "than a smaller piece of cheese with the same ratio of holes" and the second is "than a piece of cheese of the same size".

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    The amount of cheese is the same

    The holes just inflate it

    Just like when you blow air into a balloon.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Why so vaguely threatening? I just want to talk. Five minutes alone.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Checkmate Wisconsinites

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    More Holes = Less Density

    More Cheese != More Holes Per Volume

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    As the prophet Les McCann said, "Compared to what?"

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    There is a cheese where the production got so good that they had no holes anymore so they added something to the cheese to get the "typical" holes back XD        

    But sadly forgot which cheese it was exactlf

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    More holes = less cheese is the error.

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    [–] 32 points 9 months ago

    This is why I don’t trust math. It steals cheese.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Less cheese = fewer holes Fewer holes = more cheese Less cheese = more cheese

    less cheese = more cheese = less cheese = more cheese → ∞: infinite cheese glitch

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Looks, there has gotta be a divide by zero in there somewhere, but I can't find it.

    But if I divide by less, Cheese = more/less cheese Which seems legit

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Im bored and tired, so im going to write my reasoning out as I attempt to fall asleep.

    More cheese = more holes

    More cheese (volune) = more holes (volume)

    More holes (percentage) = less cheese (percentage)

    This cheese is refering yo the material, where the first is referring to the object. Different variables entirely. The first is a group that explicitly includes holes, while the latter explicitly doesn't.

    More cheese (volume) = less cheese (percentage)

    Idk man im tired.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Here's how I think is the best way to word it:

    There are really two types of "more holes"

    The first is the number of holes. Double the volume of cheese and you double the number of holes.

    The second is the density of holes. Say the cheese has 1 hole per cubic inch. Double it to 2 holes per inch and you have twice the empty volume

    The first phrase increases the number of holes by merely increasing the volume of cheese.

    The second phase increases the number of holes by increasing their density.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There's these "ontological arguments", which are basically folks trying to prove the existence of a god by reasoning with pure logic, so without relying on evidence. And they all sound like that. 🫠

    One of the classics goes roughly like this:

    1. There is good and bad. (Which is one hell of an axiom.)
    2. A creature can exist which unifies all good properties. (Yet another hell of an axiom.)
    3. Because this creature has all these good properties, it would be even gooder, if it did exist.
    4. Since this creature unifies all good properties and its existence is itself a good property, it therefore must exist.

    These arguments are also always funny, because the same logic can be used to "prove" all kinds of things. For example, a perfect island can exist, therefore it must exist. 🙃
    As far as I can tell, the arguments don't actually get better over time either, but rather just more convoluted, to make it less obvious how silly they are...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I usually heard the BS from a creationist perspective.

    The universe cannot exist without a creator ... which is also a hell of an assumption to turn into an axiom.

    and people say religion doesn't harm people... It obliterates their ability to logic.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Shrinkflation

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    This is a denominator numerator trick.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Dude is tapping into Cantor's infinite empty set and doesn't know it!

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    No cat has 5 legs, but a cat has 4 legs more than no cat, so a cat has 9 legs

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Not surprising coming from a cat, not its field of expertise. Ask a mouse and it will explain you the difference between intensive and extensive properties of the cheese.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago
    [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    yes cat, cheese with holes is less cheese than cheese without holes of the same dimensions ( you know what i mean lemmy)

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