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[–] 83 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Worse is Google that insists on shoving a terrible AI-based result in your face every time you do a search, with no way to turn it off.

I'm not telling these systems to generate images of cow-like girls, but I'm getting AI shoved in my face all the time whether I want it or not. (I don't).

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    And including the word "fuck" in your query no longer stops it.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And when it did it also altered the results, making them worse, because it was trying to satisfy "fuck" as part of your search.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I am trying to understand what Google's motivation for this even is. Surely it is not profitable to be replacing their existing, highly lucrative product with an inferior alternative that eats up way more power?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Their motivation is always ads. The ai response is longer and takes time to read so more time looking at their ads. If the answer is sufficient, you might not even click away to the search result.

    AI is a potential huge bonanza to search sites, letting them suck up the ad revenue that used to goto the search results

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    To make search more lucrative, they've enshitified it and went too far, but for a short time there were great quarterly resukts. Now they're slowly losing users. So they try AI to fix it up.

    It's also a signal to the shareholders that they're implementing the latest buzzword, plus they're all worried AI will take off and they've missed that train.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Someone posted here a while ago - if you use the URL https://www.google.com/search?q=%25s&udm=14 it doesn't include the AI search. I've updated my Google search links to use that instead of the base Google URL.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can also use alternatives like startpage and ecosia which use google results, I believe.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Both of which are probably training their own AI as middle men or stealing your search terms to tell Walmart what type of peanut butter you're most likely to buy if they could lock it up on a plastic covered shelve.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Probably, but neither automatically opt into AI replies. Ecosia has an AI chat, but it doesn't run until you go to it. Startpage has no AI option that I can see.

    Ecosia has the upside of planting trees depending on user search rate. Not sure how true that is, though. I prefer startpage either way. Startpage claims to be privacy first, and I've never received tailored results or ads.

    That doesn't mean they don't sell info. We can't know that for sure, but it sure as hell beats using Google and it's automatic AI searching.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Firefox has a plugin that blocks the AI results. It works pretty well most of the time, but it occasionally has hiccups when Google updates stuff or something.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Piling on to the google alternatives heap: https://searx.space/

    You can pick a public instance of searxng and choose which engines it queries by going to the setting cog, then Engines. A few of these public instances I've checked out have only google enabled, though, so you really do need to check the settings.

    If you want to add a searxng instance as your default engine and your browser doesn't automatically do it, the URL for that is: https://<searxng_url>/search?q=%s

    I have to add this manually for things like ironfox/firefox mobile.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Meanwhile I'm down town I'm my city cleaning windows in office buildings that are 75% empty but the heat or ac is blasting on completely empty floors and most of the lights are on.

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  • [–] 171 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (30 children)

    I had my energy company remove their LVTC smart meter this week after they started using it to shut off our condenser unit during our 100 degree days

    The fact that it exists at all is bad enough, but they were doing this at a time when our AC was already malfunctioning due to low refrigerant. On the day they first shut it off, our house reached 94 degrees.

    The program that the previous owner signed up for that enabled them to do this gave them a fucking two dollar a month discount.

    I use a smart thermostat to optimize my home conditioning - having a second meter fucking with my schedule ends up making us all miserable. Energy providers need to stop fucking around and just build out their infrastructure to handle worst case peak loads, and enable customers to install solar to reduce peak loading to begin with.

    The other thing that kills me about this is that our provider administers our city's solar electric subsidy program themselves. When i had them come out to give us a quote, they inflated their price by more than 100% because they knew what our electricity bill was. All they did was take our average monthly bill and multiplied it by the repayment period. I could have been providing them more energy to the grid at their peak load if they hadn't tried scamming me.

    FUCK private energy providers.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Smart meters with this ability are great, when done well. Without them they have the ability to turn off all of your power if they need to. If they can't keep up with demand, they have to turn things off. It's better for them to have the ability to shut off a few appliances or decrease your AC usage rather than shut people down entirely.

    People always complain that they don't want to give the energy company power over their electricity, but they already do. However, without this their power is total, and only total. With it they can moderate it. It's better if everyone has a smart meter instead of only people who care about others, and greedy people only look out for themselves.

    I agree though, fuck private providers.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Peak load of households is not during peak solar power generation. Households installing pv isn't a solution to what you described.

    Today, you could also use a battery to buy power during mid day and use it in the evening when you need it the most.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (19 children)

    In moderate climates in the US, peak loads are typically the hottest and sunniest hours of the day since condenser units are the most energy-hungry appliance in most homes. Clouds notwithstanding, peak solar generation would typically align (or closely align) with peak load time.

    Batteries would also help a lot - they should definitely be subsidizing the installation of those as well but unfortunately they aren't yet (at least not in my state).

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    This is incorrect. Look up the “duck curve” or if you prefer real-world examples look at the California electricity market (CAISO) where they have an excellent “net demand curve” that illustrates the problem.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    This curve has changed somewhat since this study in 2016. More efficient home insulation, remote working, and energy-efficient cooling systems have large impact in this pattern. But assuming you have a well-insulated home, setting your thermostat to maintain a consistent temperature throughout the day will shift this peak earlier and lower the peak load at sunset, when many people are returning home. More efficient heat pumps with variable pressure capabilities also helps this a lot, too.

    Given just how many variables are involved, it's better to assume peak cooling load to be mid-day and work toward equalizing that curve, rather than reacting to transient patterns that are subject to changes in customer behavior. Solar installations are just one aspect of this mitigation strategy, along with energy storage, energy-efficient cooling systems, and more efficient insulation and solar heat gain mitigation strategies.

    If we're discussing infrastructure improvements we might as well discuss home efficiency improvements as well.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Do you have a source for the cooling off effect of the duck curve?

    Following is a 2 year old article hinting an increase in the effect https://www.powermag.com/epri-head-duck-curve-now-looks-like-a-canyon/ afaik it hasn't changed much but I'm open to news

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm not really saying that the curve itself is changing (sorry, I was really not clear), only that those other variables reduce actual energy demand later in the day because of the efficiency gains and thermal banking that happens during the peak energy production. The overproduction during max solar hours is still a problem. Even if the utility doesn't have a way of banking the extra supply, individual customers can do it themselves at a smaller scale, even if just by over-cooling their homes to reduce their demand after sundown.

    Overall, the problem of the duck curve isn't as much about maxing out the grid, it's about the utility not having instantaneous power availability when the sun suddenly goes down. For people like me who work from home and have the flexibility to keep my home cool enough to need less cooling in the evening, having solar power means I can take advantage of that free energy and bank it to reduce my demand in the evening.

    I get what you were saying now, but having solar would absolutely reduce my demand during peak hours.

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    Ok now go just one step further and ask yourself what variables factor into this.

    There's a reason that pattern exists, and it isn't because solar and cooling hours don't align.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    the difference between demand and net demand in that graph is purely solar/wind generation, isn't it?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Essentially, yea. That, and reduced demand from people setting their thermostats to relax their cooling temps while they're away from home. We should honestly be grateful that we're able to produce so much more energy from solar than what we need for active cooling. It's a good problem to have.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    that thermostat factor reduces actual demand by a little, doesn't impact the net difference per se.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    From the pov of the utility, sure. But in terms of absolute energy use it's possibly the only way to account for that fluctuation.

    This is why this debate is so frustrating - producing energy from solar is of huge benefit, but instead of talking about how best to put that production to use, we're talking about the problem it creates for utilities who don't want to adapt to the distributed production.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I watch big state and national grid loads (for fun) and I see two distinct peaks: 7-8AM when everyone goes to work, and then around 5-7 PM when people commute home and heat up dinner.

    Otherwise it's a linear diagonal curve coinciding with temperatures.

    I personally try to keep my own energy usage a completely flat line so I can benefit from baseline load generator plants like nuclear (located not that far away).

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  • I personally try to keep my own energy usage a completely flat line so I can benefit from baseline load generator plants like nuclear (located not that far away).

    If you consume energy during peak hours you are a peak load consumer. Consuming in other hours doesn't change this fact.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why do you want a subsidy for batteries? Installing batteries at a large scale at homes is incredibly expensive compared to an off site battery. Especially with regards to the move towards hydrogen.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    For the same reason we want to subsidize solar production in residential construction even though it's more efficient and cost-productive to do it at-scale. Having energy production and storage at the point of use reduces strain on power infrastructure and helps alleviate the types of load surging ayyy is talking about.

    It's not a replacement for modernizing our power grids, too - it simply helps to make them more resilient.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    our city’s solar electric subsidy program

    It sounds like there's two different things there. There's a solar installation (hardware, etc.), and there's likely some kind of net metering program (where they pay you or give you credit for electricity you generate). That paragraph sounds like the first, but the phrase sounds like the second.

    You shouldn't have to go through them for the solar installation, if your conditions accommodate it. Granted, the conditions don't apply to everyone. You'll want to have a suitable roof that ideally faces south-ish, own your home, and plan to stay there for at least 10 years. In the US, you also kind of need to get it done within this calendar year, which is a rough ask, before the federal 30% tax credit goes away. But maybe you can find an installer that isn't trying to scam you quite as much.

    (It's early and cloudy today.)

    Solar system stats, Home Assistant panel

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sorry, maybe I wasn't being clear.

    My area has solar incentive programs that are run through the energy utility - meaning the state makes available zero-interest loans for the purposes of solar installation, but those loans are only available through an entity partnered with our utility. They limit the number of homes in each area that are eligible through this program so that solar generation never exceeds demand. Our home was eligible through the program, so I had them come out to give us a quote. Our utility is also transitioning to surge pricing and smart metering, so there's a pretty high demand for solar installation in my area and they know that they'd lose out on a lot of revenue if everyone installed their own solar systems.

    A part of that process was them asking for the last year of energy bills, along with taking measurements and doing daylighting analysis on our roof area. At the end, they gave us a quote for a 15 year loan for the equipment and installation, and it just so happened that the monthly payment was the same as our average energy bill. I work in AEC and I know what solar panels cost, and they had inflated their price by more than double what it would cost at market rate.

    Of course I could install my own panels, but it would be out-of-pocket and I would have to seek out and apply for out-of-state incentive programs myself, but I can't afford the up-front costs and the loan terms don't make sense for how long we'll be in this house. Id love nothing more than to do it myself, even at a loss if that's what it took, but I have a spouse that is less spiteful than I am.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    more than double what it would cost at market rate

    I definitely paid more for labor than for materials. My payoff time is about 13 years with a Tesla Powerwall 3, maybe a bit less now that I have an EV. I had a team of 4 guys plus an electrician here for about five days.

    I did go with a slightly more reputable company that charged slightly more, but I would have gone elsewhere if it was a huge difference.

    Maybe I should get around to making a post in !Solarpunk@slrpnk.net or something, even though it isn't very punk.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I'm factoring in labor. It was an extremely bad deal - they were praying on the fact most home owners do not have familiarity with solar installation pricing.

    Like I said, I would love to still do it on my own, but it just doesn't make sense for our household.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Your HA dashboard derailed this conversation for me. lol.

    I would love to know more about the equipment you are using to push this info into your HA.

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  • [–] 84 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Also they can build nuclear power generators for the data centers but never for the residential power grid.

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  • [–] 93 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Yeah, that thing that nobody wanted? Everybody has to have it. Fuck corporations and capitalism.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Just like screens in cars, and MASSIVE trucks. We don't want this. Well, some dumbass Americans do, but intelligent people don't need a 32 ton 6 wheel drive pickup to haul jr to soccer.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    Massive trucks? They need those trucks for truck stuff, like this giant dilhole parking with his wife to go to Aldi today. Not even a flag on the end of that ladder, it filled a whole spot by itself.

    My couch wouldn't fit in that bed, and every giant truck I see is sparkling shiny and looks like it hasn't done a day of hard labor, much like the drivers.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You underestimate the number of people you wouldn't class as intelligent. If no one wanted massive trucks, they would have disappeared off the market within a couple of years because they wouldn't sell. They're ridiculous, inefficient hulks that basically no one really needs but they sell, so they continue being made.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's actually because small trucks were regulated out of the US market. Smaller vehicles have more stringent mileage standards that trucks aren't able to meet. That forces companies to make all their trucks bigger, because bigger vehicles are held to a different standard.

    So the people who want or need a truck are pushed to buy a larger one.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Do you have any data to support this is actually the case? I see this all the time but absolutely zero evidence but a 2015 Axios survey with no methodology or dataset. Nearly every article cites this one industry group with 3 questions that clearly aren't exclusive categorical and could be picked apart by a high school student.

    I ask this question nearly every time I see this comment and in 5 years I have not found a single person who can actually cite where this came from or a complete explanation of even hope they got to that conclusion.

    The truck owners I know, myself included, use them all the time for towing and like the added utility having the bed as as secondary feature.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The truck owners I know, myself included, use them all the time for towing and like the added utility having the bed as as secondary feature.

    Then you put it beside a truck from 30 years ago that's a quarter the overall size but has the same bed capacity and towing power along with much better visibility instead of not being able to see the child you're about to run over. And then you understand what people mean when they say massive trucks - giant ridiculously unnecessary things that are all about being a status symbol and dodging regulations rather than practicality.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago

    Absolutely 100% incorrect on towing. The 95 top f150 towed about 7700 compared to 13500 today. That's an f350 in 95. It'll also fit a family of 4 comparable to a full size sedan eliminating any need of a secondary vehicle. The old f150/1500s were miserable in the back.

    As for the safety I find the argument disingenuous not based on reality. Roughly 160 kids were killed in 23 with the EU27. It was 220 in the US. Much of that could be correlated to traffic density as well.

    Country / Region Est. Fatalities/Year Child Pop. (0–14) Fatalities per Million

    United States ~225 ~61 million ~3.7 United Kingdom ~22 ~11.5 million ~1.9 Canada ~12 ~6 million ~2.0 Australia ~11 ~4.8 million ~2.3 Germany ~20 ~11 million ~1.8 France ~18 ~11 million ~1.6 Japan ~18 ~15 million ~1.2 India ~3,000 (est.) ~360 million ~8.3 Brazil ~450 ~50 million ~9.0 European Union (EU-27) ~140–160 ~72 million ~2.0–2.2

    I think we should offer incentives for manufacturers to start reducing size and weight, but things you are saying here aren't really based off of any data nor was it what I was asking.

    I just wish I could find one person to show me what they are referencing when they repeat that seemingly false fact.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Let me express it to you with some numbers... The US is ~3.81 million square miles in size.

    The F150 has sold 8.810 million units in the US in the last 10 years.

    There are ~ 2.3 F150s fewer than 10 years old for every square mile in this country.

    There is no way the majority of those trucks are going to job sites, or hauling junk, or pulling a trailer, just look around. That's not even all trucks. Thats just one model, from one brand, for a single 10 yr period.

    These trucks are primarily sold as a vanity vehicle, and a minivan alternative, and that's what I think when I see one.

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  • [+] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • I feel like i've read a very similar argument somewhere recently, but i have difficulty remembering it precisely. It went something like this:

    • If a company kills 5 people, it was either an accident, an unfortunate mishap, a necessity of war (in case of the weapons industry) or some other bullshit excuse.
    • If the people threaten to kill 5 billionaires, they're charged with "terrorism" (see Luigi Mangione's case).
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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    I have a crazy theory that requests like these will actually push people to care more about and take action on global warming.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Laughs in total recall

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When I’m told there’s power issues and to conserve power I drop my AC to 60 and leave all my lights on. Only way for them to fix the grid is to break it.

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  • [+] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    Crossposted to fuck ai community

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    we had three tiddied aliens in total recall, like 40 years ago. we don't need AI to give us more tits.

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    I should have figured the Rick and Morty episode was a reference to something.

    Makes me think about South Park and watching it as it aired when I was a kid. There were so many things I missed because I hadn’t seen any of the source material for a lot of the jokes.

    Watching it all again 25 years later and damn, even better the second time around when you’ve seen all the shit they’re parodying.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Could someone please help me save some power and just post the image with the 5tits so I don't need to have it regenerated de novo?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I tried to make an image of a woman with 5 tits but got distracted and got married to a rock

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That looks like fun. How do I play that AI?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    It's from https://perchance.org/welcome and is super cool because it's like half a soul-less AI and half a super cool tool that gets people into programming and they actually care about the Internet because they encourage people to learn how to code their own ais and have fun with it and I would absolutely have DEVOURED it when I was 13 on Tumblr (I forgot my ADHD meds today sorry if I'm rambling)

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