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[–] 188 points 9 months ago (12 children)

Tim, call in the state troopers and NG to remove these MAGA NAZIS before they kill more people.

Minnesota YOU ARE UNDER ATTACK!

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  • [–] 125 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I can promise you that Minnesotans know this.

    Previously I was under the impression that Walz could unilaterally activate the NG without trump being able to federalize them I was wrong.

    The state police are small and theres more than 3000 agents in Minneapolis. They are being provided instructions and intelligence from a PMC. This is a full fledged paramilitary.

    The media, however, has completely ignored the fierce amount of civil disobedience and counter ICE actions going on. The problem is that ICE is ambushing victims, grabbing them and leaving.

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago

    Yeah it’s really hard as they drive up in unmarked cars and go. A lot of times the windows are tinted and you have seconds to react.

    When they were in Chicago I’d try to look for trucks, SUVs, and minivans as those were the most likely to hold a lot of agents.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    It's symbolic. They can call in state defense force and state police to apprehend them if they feel like they can claim they are committing crime. Then you see who does what. The only options are to escalate or capitulate.

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  • [+] 8 points 9 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Dude, come on over and have at it.

    Personally, I need a few more guardrails to fall before I start sniping feds.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    No, please explain exactly what you mean by deterrence, educate me

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Brb, going out to acquire a ballistic missile submarine

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    [–] 37 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    At the risk of asking a stupid question. Is this really going to help now that Trump has demonstrated that his DOJ has the power to remove criminal investigations from a local level and reassign them to a federal level? Where they will then (Of course) refuse to even investigate let alone prosecute. Is there some other way to seek accountability right now? Or do we literally have to wait for the next administration to do anything with all the evidence being recorded right now?

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I read somewhere that the states can go after ICE agents if they break state law. IANAL but I think MN state lawyers are doing what they can.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Yeah, I remember hearing the same thing now that you mention it. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if anything materializes from going that route. If nothing else, Trump at-least shouldn't be able to pardon state charges, as far as I'm aware. So maybe there's hope for accountability in there somewhere.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They don’t that power. The state will conduct its own prosecutions.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Take this with a grain of salt, because I'm not a lawyer nor am I in that space. I am simply quoting the content I heard from actual lawyers.

    Trump has changed a lot of the legal world with his illegal acts. Prior to Trump, It used to be that federal court cases were often airtight. If you brought it up in federal court, it was expected both sides did their homework - all of it, every single detail. Because federal court cases were the defining "law of the land".

    Well, during the Trump administration, his cronies have so many federal lawsuits on them, often half-ass and badly made, that it's creating a lot of deadlock on what is "the law of the land".

    So is it going to help now? No.

    Is it going to help later? Absolutely. If not the Federal Court, but when we do our own Nuremberg trials.

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    [–] 29 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Do the black panther Philly thing and arm yourselves

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Make sure you store it on servers outside the United States, too.

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  • [–] 42 points 9 months ago (24 children)

    What I want to see is people telling these ICE agents the truth.

    Point out Trump's failing health, and that he might not even live long enough to finish his term. Show them that he has attacked anybody who could be his successor so the MAGA movement will collapse as soon as he's gone.

    Let them know that they will be prosecuted like the guards for Hitler's concentration camps. Just following orders won't be any excuse. Even if they manage to avoid prison time, the fact they worked for ICE means that when Trump's out of office, nobody will ever hire them again. It doesn't matter if they were just doing it to feed their families, being a former ICE member will be seen like being a former member of the Gestapo, a mark of shame for their families for decades to come.

    Tell them that hiding their faces isn't enough. Ask them if they fully trust every other ICE agent, or if ICE might have been infiltrated by protesters. Point out that their fellow agents have already screwed up and left behind lists of ICE agents when they've had to leave a place in a hurry. Tell them that with modern cameras it's just a matter of time before an unusual mole or the edges of a tattoo are enough to identify them.

    Then tell them that there's only one way to salvage their reputations and their future career prospects, and that's to become whistle blowers.

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  • [–] 46 points 9 months ago* (19 children)

    Nice story, but January 6th rioters were all eventually given a pass, and that's what the ICE clowns anticipate. Just following orders, etc.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    They were...by Trump. He's gone in this scenario.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    And in order to prosecute, you need an opposition party win or a republican with a backbone.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    opposition party will win. unless democracy in this US is totally subverted (Unfortunately a real possibility). The real question is whether or not this Democrats have learned their lesson from last time, and be swift and bold.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    Jan 6 rioters got a pass because Trump was elected. Once Trump is dead, that's no longer going to be possible.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    most of them got slap on the wrist even before the election began, it was clear they dont want to upset the voter base of republicans.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Most of them weren't caught doing anything more than breaking into the capitol building. The ones who actually attacked cops or did something violent got standard prison sentences for those kinds of crimes. Sure, I would have liked longer sentences. But, these were mostly first-time offenders who didn't do a violent crime, so they got sentences that go with that. The aim of the justice department wasn't to try to put them in prison for as long as possible, but to treat them the same as any other criminal. Maybe the idea was that that was going to make the cases harder to overturn on appeal because there wasn't any hint of political bias in the sentencing.

    I think it would have had a pretty solid deterrent effect if Trump hadn't come back and commuted their sentences / pardoned them. But, pardoning them is yet another way he's completely throwing away the rule book.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (9 children)

    Tons of sociopaths are watching Trump and taking notes. With series reforms to both our society and political system, this will just happen again and with Peter Thiel practically owning JD Vance, it could be sooner than you think.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (8 children)

    Trump is a one in a million manipulator. There's a reason this hasn't happened since Hitler and Mussolini. Various others like Marco Rubio, Ron DeSantis, etc. have all tried to use the same playbook and failed completely. If you think MAGA is going to fall in line behind couchfucker JD Vance, you're deluded. A big reason that Trump picked him as VP is that he knew Vance was no threat to him.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

    There’s a reason this hasn’t happened since Hitler and Mussolini

    That's a wild statement to make considering that Putin is a household name these days.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    Putin is hardly a charismatic leader. Might as well throw in Maduro or Noriega, or Saddam Hussein if you're going to talk about leaders who ruled through fear and force rather than charisma.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Putin has been more often than not genuinely popular with Russians; he was very successful at creating a persona that worked in his culture to secure and maintain power.

    And while Maduro wasn't charismatic, Chavez certainly was

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    You don't talk about Hitler "more often than not" being popular with Germans. Hitler famously had huge rallies filling stadiums.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Oh hell yeah. And I'd add this:

    The truth is that they are counting on getting a signing bonus in five years from a man who famously never pays his bills and probably won't even be alive then, working for a woman who they think has their back but who doxxed Jonathan Ross within two hours of committing murder for her. Within a year they will wish with all their might they'd never even heard of ICE, and there will never be a moment for the rest of their lives when it does not hang over their heads.

    And if they really want truth, they should go talk to some retired cops, and talk about how the passage of time eats away at the excuses while magnifying the bare facts of one's own actions, to the point that a disproportionate number of them eat their guns. So whichever way they look, the forecast is shit in every direction. It doesn't pay to be a murderous fucking ghoul.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    And cops are well respected compared to ICE agents, in every way. I'd say about 70% of the US hates ICE agents, whereas about 50% truly like and respect cops. But, even among the die-hard MAGA Republicans who want ICE to snatch people off the street and beat up the non-whites, they still don't respect them. They're thugs who are working for their own side.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I totally respect where you’re trying to go, but what are these percentages you’ve imagined? Where do these numbers come from? That’s my favorite thing on the internet, people make up numbers and just proclaim them. I can’t, lol

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I know this is FUBAR, but I think its funny that the 2nd amendment actually exists for this exact reason of State's having their own militias that they can use, but of course they're not going to actually use it.

    Walz is taking a zero confrontational approach, so he's defnitley at fault here, but state NGs haven't exactly been effective since before the 1940s.

    If anyone remembers the University of Alabama desegragation fiasco, JFK federalized Alabama's national guard and essentially crippled what power the state governor had as a bunch of soldiers showed up to escort students and shove him aside.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    The 2nd Amendment did its thing for both sides in the 1st American Civil War. The Fascist militias won't have exclusivity for being armed, if good people make a point of being armed and ready for the conflict to come.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago
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    "Remain peaceful while armed thugs are killing you and dragging you away to camps! We'll be sitting here not doing anything to help you!"

    This is war with the Federal government. It's time they stopped pretending otherwise.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago

    The DNC broke that man

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    Minneapolis Trials

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This is the same bull shit energy you tell a kid who's getting bullied. "Don't worry, it'll get better in the future."

    Delusional wishful thinking. There's no going back, things will never be the same even after the big beautiful obituary.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    Yep people want to still think that this is just a bump in the road. During Trump's first term, I thought that there was a glimmer of hope there that this could be true, but Joe Biden's administration proved that there is no going back. It was a pleasant four year reprieve from waking up to a fresh new hell every morning, but at this point Trump and his associated chaos and fascism are back.

    Marxists of course predicted this the whole time but I was holding out a little hope that they were wrong. They were terribly, disastrously correct.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Trump will just declare them immune from prosecution or pardon them all.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    He can't pardon them for state crimes, only federal.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    He also can't do a lot of the things he's already done.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (6 children)

    That is true on the federal level. State is a completely different matter. He only succeeds at the state level when state government is complicit.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

    Which is quite a few of them. Depending on how you measure it: most.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    Quite a few? Most? Not at all. He hasn't even tried "most" or even more than a few.

    Louisiana, the kind of state you characterize correctly, is NOT every red state. And even then there are a handful of red states with independent-leaning governors like Mike DeWine of Ohio and Andy Beshear of Kentucky who cannot at all be counted on to toe the MAGA line, much less if he federalizes their National Guard.

    You're insistent on ceding territory he hasn't even touched and is not even remotely guaranteed to win in a fed vs. state battle. To what end?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not ceding anything. Why are you trying to start a fight?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I want to know why you're so eager to characterize "quite a few/most" states as capitulating to the regime when that is the opposite of both fact and reasonable expectation.

    When people misstate and/or try to obscure fact it's generally in support of a cause. What's yours?

    Answer or don't, I don't care about changing your mind. I just want to know why you'd call states a lost cause when they're anything but. It's the fed that's a lost cause these days, lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I want people to realize it's bleaker than "it'll probably be fine if I just whine about it on the internet like I did when people said Bush was a fascist."

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    When moments count, democrats are years away.

    We are on our own.

    www.socialistRA.com

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Anyone gonna ask why https isn’t working for this site? It would be pretty brain dead to put any info into there, let alone visit it. lol

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Great advice. I can't wait to see these racist ICE fucks up continue to stand in the cold as we are getting back to seasonal appropriate weather. It's been above freezing for the last few weeks and we're getting back to the typical 0s again.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Is this really the move? I can see the courts passing motion up to invalidate old footage due to AI etc.

    I want to see a good ending but there needs to be something more active.

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    I don't unfortunately. Unless there's a TV crew that follows the agent from crime to hotel, there's going to be 'reasonable doubt'.

    The legal battles will be tough. At least we have names but linking name to crime needs to be rock solid. Thats even before they start attacking the victims.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    how about you do like literally anything

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I think he’s a good guy.

    I think he’s not cut out for this moment. Or really, he might be if he had literally anyone that would back him. His own party is garbage.

    He should have ran. The alternative feels like a set up from establishment democrats to set up another centrist.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    That's part of the problem, the establishment never planned to handle the current situation. No one is cut out for this moment that's in a position of power, it's just not something people think can happen so quickly.

    They're basically blitzkrieging the political norms to grasp power all guard rails are destroyed and the courts are just those low wide speed bumps.

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