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Joe Rogan criticizes ICE tactics: 'Are we really going to be the Gestapo?' (www.nbcnews.com)
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[–] 178 points 9 months ago (1 child)

Lol now he criticizes. Jfc dude

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    • [–] 130 points 9 months ago

    Thanks for ushering this in rogan

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    [–] 124 points 9 months ago

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    [–] 371 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    "Are we the baddies?" ponders Gen-X's Rush Limbaugh copycat after decades of being a mouthpiece for Russian agitprop.

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  • [–] 78 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    ICE just needs some more supplements, then they will stop committing crimes. Actually when is ICE gonna start sponsoring shit, lucrative business idea here

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    • [–] 90 points 9 months ago

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    [–] 87 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    'Rogan said it was “very ugly to watch someone shoot a U.S. citizen, especially a woman, in the face.”'

    It's very ugly to watch anyone shoot another person in the face.

    FTFY, you scumbag

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    • [–] 73 points 9 months ago

    Imagine being so evil even your dumbest dick rider starts to question it.

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    [–] 68 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    (Usually I would be agaimst this, but Joe Rogan helped Trump a lot)

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    • [–] 56 points 9 months ago

    Thanks to the efforts of Joe Rogan, yes

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    [–] 150 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    Joe Rogan is the gestapo’s voice. Joe Rogan is a piece is shit plus he is not funny.

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago (17 children)

    I don't think he ever was. I never understood why people liked him. He always seemed like a poser to me. He wanted to be a cool guy, he wanted to be funny, he wanted to be a UFC fighter... I guess that kind of describes everyone in the "manosphere".

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    At one point he was actually kinda open minded and could raise an interesting discussion from time to time. Those days are loooooooong fucking gone. It's all just ego maintenance and propaganda now.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Admittedly I found him through his conversations with scientists I enjoyed listening to. Those days were good, they'd just have conversations about black holes and quantum physics. Then shit got absolutely out of hand and I never listened to him again.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah I think what's missed is that there weren't a lot of long form podcasts like that at the time. It was great to be able to hear someone like Sean Carroll come on and talk about Spacetime for 3 hours and then have Joe convince him to start his own podcast, which is still going and really dang good. Joe served as the interested but uninformed audience to just kind of keep the person talking. Not to defend what it's become, but it wasn't always like it is now

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's too bad so many people found Joe Rogan more interesting than Stuff You Should Know, even though the latter started before Rogan. Josh and Chuck don't have whacky guests, but they talk about the coolest topics.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    talked*,

    after I saw that Terrance Howard one I think I lost some IQ points and all of my respect (what little was left) for Rogan.

    now there's way better podcast like star talk or anything else.

    people figured out his formula, anyone left listening is on the bottom of the dev curve.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    So what you're saying he was always a moron, just was open minded and let his guests carry the conversation?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Not just a moron, a smooth brain one that easily was manipulated by right wing social media rage bait nonsense.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    He knows better, he is a manipulator, not manipulated.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    No he doesn't actually, he's genuinely dumb. Covid broke his brain, and he retreated from the criticism into a right wing bubble and that's now his entire worldview because it's just one big echo chamber

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Both can be true, it is always a mix of believing and pretending to with them. I listened to him advance arguments about prez's lawsuits on media he knew were bs, and castigating environmental protesters with arguments he knows are not valid.

    But yeah I am sure he believes a lot of it, or starts to believe in the echo chamber even. These people have no fealty to reality, society, the republic that made them rich and protects their wealth. They believe in nothing outside of self interest, emulating people like the president.

    They do not even look at it like true or lie, good or bad, only if it helps them or not.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I've heard it many times that Rogan is a 'neutral interviewer'. So I listened to his old episode with Chuck Palahniuk. The writer of transgressive literature Chuck Palahniuk mentioned that he participated in some kinda normie book reading club, and thought of bringing up his writing in there, but realized it would be unfit. Whereupon 'neutral interviewer' Rogan began insisting that this is censorship, and kept repeating that this is censorship and asking Palahniuk to admit that it's censorship until the transgressive literature author Chuck Palahniuk said 'okay, it's censorship' just to get 'neutral interviewer' Joe Rogan to shut up.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    His early comedy was funny in the 1990s bro sort of way. His podcast was hysterical when it was just him smoking weed with redban. The joey diaz fleshlight commercials are still funny to me "they put a little clean shaven monkey in there"

    This was before the big money showed up to the podcast.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    I tried listening to his podcast when it got big. It’s was boring as shit. I don’t know how people can listen to him talk for hours at a time.

    I can maybe listen to a curated version where they cut out 98% and only leave in the part where they actually say something interesting.

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    • [–] 76 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Once again, the sucking void that is Joe Rogan's brain finally catches up with what everyone else already knows.

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    • [–] 37 points 9 months ago

    Give it a few days Joe will switch his opinion on it.

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    [–] 37 points 9 months ago

    "I'm trying to find the guy responsible !"

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    [–] 72 points 9 months ago (47 children)

    Yes, Joe. You always were. You are the villain in the story that made all of this possible.

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  • [+] -15 points 9 months ago (46 children)

    Yes but rogan's betrayal was not possible without the party forcing unwinnable strategies with the most unpopular choice, without a single challenge. None for house or senate either.

    First thing is first, the dem party running opposition is multiplying this massive formula by zero right at the start.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (43 children)

    Kamala was objectively a better choice than Trump, it was obvious to anyone who wasn't brain rotted by people like Rogan.

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  • [+] -11 points 9 months ago (42 children)

    Syphillis is objectively better than aids.

    But it was not going to win the election, much less restore the republic.

    We knew being not the other guy was not enough, that the other guys are nazis, that the electorate does not know that.

    So explain to me why forcing a doomed to fail strategy is not disqualifying for dem establishment figures?

    Even now you regurgitate their projections of blame? Why should anyone trust your analysis of anything if you still trust those establishment conservatives to run the dem party while you are at it?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (37 children)

    This is parody, right?

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  • [+] -10 points 9 months ago (36 children)

    You cannot be serious. I levied questions about how the election was thrown by the dems from the start.

    You cannot answer with reason.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (25 children)

    The reasonable choice was to vote for Kamala out of sheer harm reduction. Throwing a hissy fit and taking your ball and going home because you think we should be playing a different game helped nobody.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (24 children)

    You are vote shaming which is neither here nor there.

    The question is knowing status quo candidates whose only selling point is they are harm reduction, was not enough to win, let alone with the most unpopular candidate they had on offer, never breaching 30 pc approval all term pre anointation, the vp of a prez at 40 pc for 3 years.

    You knew the situation, but trusted the same people that gave us hillary and biden, to run a doomed to fail strategy.

    So how is it reasonable to appoint kamala, and accept her and the status quo strategy knowing it was throwing the game?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (22 children)

    Yes, I am vote shaming. You don't seem to understand that you had two options. Harris could have been the second shittest candidate to ever run for the office and she still would have been a preferable choice. I think that by failing to oppose mask-off fascism in this admittedly tiny but still quite meaningful way, you do bear some small amount of blame for the state of things.

    To wit: If you couldn't hold your nose and vote for a bad candidate to stop the candidate who everyone knew would be much worse, I do not want to form a coalition with you and I certainly do not want to climb into a trench with you.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Actually, I didn't get any options because I live in a red state and my vote doesn't count. Stop pretending we have democracy.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    You will never be the swing voter, but the only way your vote doesn't count at all is if you don't cast it. The republicans have fought for half a century to suppress voter turnout, and sadly it has worked. Throwing up your hands and saying "well, if they don't want me to vote I suppose I simply will not vote" is worse than useless.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    Throwing your vote into a hungry pit is also worse than useless. Trump didn't even get a majority! President 49.9 enjoys power solely because the electoral system is anti-democratic and doesn't do runoffs, and he only won the first time because of the electoral college. He attempted a fucking coup and we didn't put him in prison, and as a result Jan 6th is the most successful US political movement in my lifetime. This country is fucked, and it's clear Republicans have no plans to allow any electoral input ever again.

    Will there even be midterms? Who knows! It's time to think about what you'll do when you can't vote anymore.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    This is what grinds my gears about getting into discussions with people who take your position. I do not have to make apologies for the undemocratic first-past-the-post system, or the undemocratic electoral college. Had more people voted, the fix would not have worked. Rigged elections can be overwhelmed, especially when they are being attacked from the outside.

    I am thinking about what I'll do when I can't vote anymore. And it does not involve common cause with people who do not understand basic strategy.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The vast majority of US citizens did not vote for Harris. Are you going to write off a majority of the country?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Well they're not gonna do anything anyway, so I might as well.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    That's 71.4% of the country you're writing off. You're setting yourself up to lose.

    A lot of the protesters in the streets are people who don't vote for Harris and you have to recon with that. Voting is merely one tactic among many, there are lots of ways to be involved in politics. The fact that someone disagrees with you about a single tactic doesn't mean they're irrelevant, it just means you have to find common ground in other ways.

    Or we're all going to die.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    We're all going to die. We were already all going to die. We signed our own death warrant when we knowingly allowed omnicidal fascists to take control of the most efficient death machine mankind has ever devised. Or maybe not, history is weird. Maybe a meteor evaporates DC and the country balkanizes. The only thing I'm sure of is that there's no way out of this that involves a glorious uprising of the organized left. We couldn't organize our way out of a paper bag.

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    You are still making the better candidate argument. Rather ad nauseum too.

    That argument is superceded by knowing the lesser of argument would fail, you chose it anyway.

    You chose a failed strategy, now are blaming everyone else, rather insufferably at that, assuming peoples' votes to further obscuring the issue.

    You helped the republicans win more than the maga voters.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    I'm not sure where you are getting this delusion that I chose any sort of strategy. She was a shit candidate. If I could have stopped them from anointing her, I would have. They didn't ask me. My best option -- everyone's best option -- was still to vote for her, because the alternative was worse.

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Yet you aggressively pass the buck for those that did force her, blaming everyone else?

    So the same people are in charge to do it again.

    I don't believe you either, I bet you yelled down everyone advocating for a winning candidate and or a winning strategy. If you believed the establishment in blaming voters for their doomed strategy, you trusted them to know what they are doing.

    Take some responsibility, you knew or should've known people would not choose the lesser of two evils indefinitely, especially with the country ratcheting so hard to the plutocracy. As if the status quo was acceptable at this point. How divorced are you from reality?

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

    I can't take you seriously, man. You don't appear to understand how power works, or how movements work, or how organizations work. You will never convince me of this idea that somehow not voting for the lesser of two evils in the general would have improved where we find ourselves right now. I will never convince you that Harris, flawed status-quo neolib that she was, would have been much less bad than unrepentant fascism. This conversation is a waste of my time, and yours (however much that's worth). Have a good day.

    e: misspoke

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    I didn't read that drivel. Projection if I've ever seen it. You are hopeless if 2024 didn't wake you up.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    It woke me up. People like yourself are dead weight and your type outnumbers my type in the left. So I'm riding out the end of days in hedonism. Going to fuck, drink, and play video games when I'm not working. Maybe save some money instead of donating or contributing to see if I can ride this shit out in some small way.

    I canvassed for Harris because of the threat Trump's second term posed. I risked losing my job by hammering on about how people need to vote to keep him out of office. I finally fully destroyed a number of family relations by bringing up Trump enough times.

    And after all that the establishment liberals failed and the leftists don't fucking care enough to prevent fascists from winning. They both suck.

    That doesn't mean I'm going to fucking die in a stupid doomed revolution, holy shit. How fucking delusional.

    That the US population is so astoundingly stupid as to let Trump win a 2nd god damned time means a majority of people are not worth fighting for. And the people worth fighting for are screwed no matter how hard I try because people like you drag us into hell.

    So go ahead and not vote this year. Or 2028. Or hell vote for Trump. I don't give a fuck anymore because it hardly matters. The poster you were talking to seems to still care but I think they're wasting their time. We're already doomed, and 2024 proved it. Even if a democrat wins, it'll just be anti-incumbent bias and a republican fascist will be right in office again in 2032. The US is an absolute sea of retards.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I didn't read that drivel past the first sentence. Typical, projecting onto your victims, in this case those trying to get a winning strategy.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You... already used that line.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Stop refusing to answer the question honestly and I would've stopped repeating it.

    But now we can stop, because absent an argument with merit, considering I reject everything you think now without addressing the original question, I will ignore you.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    I'm Canadian dipshit, I don't have any particular connection to one party or the other. It was clear as day that Kamala was a status quo politician, and Trump was going to do pretty much what he is doing. Actually I didn't think Trump would be this bad in fact.

    There is just no universe where you justify that having a milquetoast politician is worse than whatever the fuck this fascist nightmare is. And it was clear as day to anyone who wasn't an abject moron.

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    You call me a dipshit, but I knew kamala would lose and you did not.

    What does that make you?

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Buddy your country is collapsing to dogshit, and you're proud about the fact that you knew it would happen and you voted for it?

    I hope you're not a real person because if you are I suspect a serious TBI and your family members might be in danger.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Do you think voting works like betting?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    The dude is so petty he's applying his single meagre downvote to every one of the people that calls him out on his bullshit. He's so fired up over it he simply must downvote it, in order to flex even the extremely minimum amount of power he has.

    Thankfully, I don't think he is representative of the majority of Americans, if he is American at all.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Answer the question. How is a doomed to fail strategy other peoples' fault?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Haha both sides bad haha

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago

    Typical, counter attacking, however lamely, to avoid taking responsibility. You have no logical arguments so you have to resort to those tricks the dem establishment taught you to stop any realignment.

    More proof your analysis, stated opinions, are worth nothing to those in reality. Either pretending to believe dems are a credible party and lying to our faces, or believing it.

    If the former you would think neoliberal surrender to fascists is in your interest, so your understanding is laughably wrong and disqualifying in either case.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Not entirely sure why you're getting downvoted, yeah, I'm sure not close to a fraction of what has happened would happen under Kamala, but, they are beholden to the exact same billionaire Epstein class donors that the other side was, and she wouldn't have cut out the rot that was festering in the idiot swamp. It would just keep festering.

    We certainly have the benefit of hindsight, and I could have told any one it would be bad, but a lot of this seems like it might have been inevitable one way or another. You might as well call the dems controlled opposition with how inept they've been in the face of existential threat. The fight is hardly left/right, it's up/down. It's just the upper class knows to use the violent people in the lower class against each other, through desperation and propaganda, while they all collude at the top.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago

    The dems are still playing good cop to r bad, for donors. Ratcheting to plutocracy.

    But r's are not playing bad cop, they are playing hitler, in the open, for a faction of that plutocracy. We all knew it or should have. Anointing kamala without challenge to run as status quo against a reform ticket is beyond foolish, into knowingly throwing the game.

    Arguing kamala is better misses that she could not win and anyone that did not realize that lacks credibility on any subject.

    Until they admit they were wrong to trust the establishment, and outlines how they are going to change that.

    Frankly it is the least they must do if we want to take the country from the party openly planning on fixing elections and persecuting the opposition and you know, the whole nazi thing.

    Probably too late already. Maybe a chance in the succession, with a Popular Reform ticket aggressively pursuing a New Deal.

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    • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Fuck this "but I am not a fascist, only enabled them, I'm not like those!!!" asshole

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    • [–] 29 points 9 months ago

    He created this. Let’s not forget that propagandist who supported the Nazis and helped bring them to power got more severe punishment during nuremberg than some gestapo.

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