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Wife of Minnesota woman killed in ICE shooting: 'We had whistles. They had guns' (apnews.com)
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The wife of Renee Good, the woman shot and killed in her car by a federal immigration agent in Minneapolis, says the couple had stopped to support their neighbors on the day of the shooting and described the mother of three as leaving a legacy of kindness.

“We had whistles. They had guns,” Becca Good said in a written statement Friday that was provided to Minnesota Public Radio.

The statement was her first public comment about the death of Renee Good, 37, who was killed Wednesday after three Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers surrounded her Honda Pilot SUV on a snowy street a few blocks from the couple’s home. Video taken by bystanders show an officer approaching the SUV stopped across the middle of the road, demanding the driver open the door and grabbing the handle.

Trump administration officials have painted Renee Good as a domestic terrorist who tried to run over an officer with her vehicle. State and local officials in Minneapolis, as well as protesters, have rejected that characterization.

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[–] 50 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What's that ole saying?

"Armed minorities are harder to oppress"

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    • [–] 44 points 10 months ago (27 children)

    I am terribly sorry for what happened to Renee Good. I have watched the videos over and over and I really don't understand how anyone could come to a conclusion different than "power tripping ICE agent murders woman in cold blood because he felt slighted by her declaring she was ignoring his order."

    That said, the narrative of fear the administration is pushing requires someone armed and dangerous. Renee Good died unarmed, but she is dismantling a whole story line in her innocence. They tried to portray her as a monster, because the reality is they are.

    I remember seeing a report that accused her of using her "enormous SUV" to attack people. She drove a Honda Pilot. It's really hard to find a car smaller than that in America, these days.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (20 children)

    The Pilot isn't an enormous SUV (that would be something like the Cadillac Escalade), but Honda alone makes the CRV and HRV which are smaller SUVs. Plus sedans like the Civic. It's not hard to find smaller cars, but when you have three school age kids the Pilot makes sense.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (19 children)

    The Honda pilot is enormous

    The Honda pilot is an SUV (in the marketing crossover sense and common terms)

    however yes it is not an enormous SUV, it is just both of those things independently

    I don't follow your logic for three school-age kids and the pilot making sense.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (18 children)

    Three kids need seats plus cargo space for bags, sports equipment, their friends, etc. Like you could fit everyone into a CRV, but it starts to get real tight when you add bags and stuff. I'm pretty sure her Pilot was also fairly old, not the biggest newest one.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (17 children)

    man people really do forget that minivans were made for this specific purpose and do it way better than a crossover

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    In what way?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    just about every way

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (6 children)

    Except for AWD. I think the Pacifica does on higher trims, but Christler... Ew. And the Sienna Hybrid comes in AWD, but once again that's a more expensive/premium trim. In a place like Minnesota, I could see why the Pilot might make more sense. I say this as an owner and huge fan of my Honda Oddessey.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    there are minivans with AWD

    since you brought up that topic... AWD isn't nearly as much of a benefit as the average person thinks it is. winter tires and being a competent driver are far more effective and safer than something that helps you accelerate faster.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Yep, this is the answer. Slap winter tires on that puppy. AWD/4WD is way overrated as a general rule. Every car has all-wheel stop and things like AWD only tend to give people over-confidence in their traction that they might not really be able to rely on when it comes to stopping/turning.

    At least for everyday driving in the snow.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (3 children)

    not much funnier at the end of a ski day than seeing an AWD 4000lb brick sliding into a curb while a shitbox Golf that doesn't even come up to the SUV's windows climbs up the hill just fine

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Exactly. Snow tires can cost a fair bit, especially if you pay for an extra set of wheels to go with it, but I've lost count of how many times I've seen a big truck or full-size SUV go skidding and it's most likely an over-confident driver that has all-seasons on there...they spent money on the wrong thing if they paid for a big vehicle to "handle the snow better".

    And don't get me started on how many of these large cars I see flipped or otherwise stuck and abandoned along the highway when going into work the morning after it snowed the night before...not saying other cars with bald tires or all season aren't going to have similar struggles, but I think the large vehicles and vehicles with AWD give the inexperienced a sense of confidence they really should not have...and that makes a bad problem much worse.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    the last few multi-hour highway drives I've had to make in bad weather (snow, ice) all had pickup trucks, and only pickup trucks, in the ditch lol

    the other thing that people seem to forget about getting a second set of tires is that aside from the rims, there is no additional cost (assuming you change them yourself and have room to store them, which is a reasonable assumption for a large number of vehicle owners). I bought two new sets of tires five years ago and I'm still using both of them (I wfh and generally try to not drive much, though), hell my winters almost look brand new still because I drive so few km on bare pavement with them.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Yeah, this. Besides vehicles my parents had, I drove mostly two door or four door passenger vehicles and would get an extra set and swap them myself 2x a year. Now we have a truck and a minivan, and I do the same on these. The upfront cost is a bit more, but worth it and I can do it at the house w/o having to wait/schedule anything...

    When driving the truck though I always remember it has much more weight than passenger vehicles and drive accordingly (slower), even though it has snow tires. Unless we get snow like a foot or higher that hasn't been plowed yet, the truck's clearance and 4WD is not really going to make much of a difference over the minivan, since they both have snow tires...

    It's weird how many adults I talk to still assume we are going to drive the truck just because there is like half an inch on the ground, though. SMH. Except for certain tasks, I prefer the minivan - it fits extra people in it beyond our family if I need to haul them. It definitely has a much punchier feel - the acceleration is much better, it's much easier to park, gets great mileage, has awesome turning radius, less road noise, less bouncing as you go down the highway, don't have to be on the kids about whipping open the back doors into other parked cars, etc. And I haven't looked at the stats, but it probably is much safer in every measure, too. Lower rollover risk, doesn't have truck brakes, and better crumple zones.

    Again, it's not even remotely cool. No one is going to accuse me of being a hipster when I'm driving that around. The truck is much cooler in my opinion and newer, LOL. Better sound system. But again, I am married and I'm a parent, so....I'm not trying to impress anyone.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Conceptually modern small/mid-size SUVs and minivans are the same.

    A grand caravan is 15 inches longer than the Pilot, 1 inch wider and 7 inches taller.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    doors, internal layout, and shape of the cabin are far more functional on the minivan

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Yup. Wayyyy more space as a general rule. You can fit 7 people in minivans.

    If you know, you know.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    oh, I do know.

    a friend had a minivan for a while, we used to pile five guys and gear for whatever trip into that thing all the time after he took out some of the kid stuff. just some of it, didn't even need it fully cleaned out.

    I'd considered buying one for myself, but I am partial to wagons and the price was never right for me for my application.

    I still struggle to fit all the shit I want to into my car sometimes, though. difficult when the back seat is taken up by two dogs. a minivan would fit it no problem, meanwhile my car is packed to the ceiling and I've got the passenger seat full too. does the job well enough outside of those few situations, though. people ask me why I don't get an SUV (crossover) instead - wouldn't help, there isn't that much more space, just a bit of height and you can typically only stack stuff so high. and if you get into the actual SUVs, well jfc those things are huge I don't want or need that, also --> back to van

    there are applications where a suburban or escalade makes sense, but it's not often

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Yeah, I remember a co-worker of mine had to shop around forever and finally have a minivan shipped from out of state, because he and his wife researched and it came down to one model (Honda, I think?). Anyway, virtually everyone else wanted it, too, since it probably was top-rated by Consumer Reports or whatever, and local dealers were charging 5-10K in markup, or more.

    So they are not necessarily cheap, especially for the ones others want, and they are not something that are going to get you laid, LOL. I definitely blame the boomers for starting that whole thing, though. For some reason it became a thing where lots of parents want to give the impression they....are not parents. I guess these people thought even though they had kids, they needed a cool car to pull tail? Or be the hawt MILF? What are these people even doing? They are parents! What is this denial bullshit?

    For some reason, the very same people that will point and giggle at some older guy wearing a baseball cap and driving a Corvette because he's bald and who does he even think he is - will turn their nose up at driving a minivan even if they have several kids and spend their time in their vehicle carting kids around and getting groceries. No, they need something like an SUV, because....reasons. The same reasons they accuse the guy driving the Corvette of!

    I was just searching around on cargo space vs. full-size SUVs, and at least in some cases, the minivan (Honda Odyssey) has more than at least some of the full-size SUV models. They definitely have more leg-room and head-room than full-size SUVs I've been in, when it comes to the second-row seats, anyway. I figure one of those behemoth Escalades might have something comparable, but I've not been in the back of one of those...

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Those a rookie numbers. We got seven people in a subaru once.

    Granted, one of us was in the trunk, and the other was laying on everybody's lap in the back seat, but we did it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Haha, I believe it.

    I'm assuming this was not one of those Subaru station wagons. If you ignore seatbelt laws, you could probably get that many in the back w/ the seat down, LOL.

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    • [–] 97 points 10 months ago (50 children)

    Bring guns next time

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I mean, yes, I guess we're going that direction, but the fact we've gotten to this point is horrible.

    I'm more for neutralizing the threat before defensive measures are needed. Like, where is the actual authority to stop these killers? ACAB and all that, but people are above the cops, and someone at some point needs to do the job they're paid to do in protecting the public. It may get to the public fending for itself, but it shouldn't.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago*

    The authority to stop this was an uncorrupted government that cared to stop it, which we haven't had in a while. Hell, we've gone so far past it that they're actively encouraging it now. While this symptom is relatively new, the disease has been progressing for decades. Once the government stopped keeping the police in line, and the people stopped caring to fix the government to get that back on track, it was inevitable that we'd need to revolt to bring things back. Now the question is whether or not that will be enough. I hope it is.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (45 children)

    That would've ended with a lot more of the neighbors dead.

    So are you showing up to protests like this armed? If so, does it work?

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    The Black Panthers bore arms and escorted people. The establishment became much more respectful of the innocent, when they didn't have a monopoly on violence.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    These are different times.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    History doesn't repeat itself. But it sure does rhyme. Look what is happening in Iran. That's our future of we don't show our teeth. I don't want the violence to get worse and I don't think we are there yet, but if it does get there I don't want the other side to have an easy time killing us.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Run the experiment. Don't just say so.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, you should and come back and tell us how it went if you can.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Oh, I'm happy to. But I'm one person. Organized armed resistance is the way to go. So that's why I'm calling for more. Fighting fascists is a good way to go.

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  • [–] 52 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    Of course it works. Armed protests have always been a pretty successful strategy in the US.

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  • [+] -26 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    Show me.

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  • [–] 56 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Black panthers

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  • [+] -38 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Show me in the last decade.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The armed people defending Drag Queens comes to mind.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This is a little old, 2014: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

    This COVID protest is more recent: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496514

    I think anyone to the left of Biden taking guns to protests is risking their life but armed right wing nutbags never seem to get beaten and killed at protests.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Show me any truly successful protest in the last decade. We're getting record attendance numbers but seeing no change because nobody cares to listen. We stopped succeeding when we stopped coming armed.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    1811 German Coast slave uprising The Whiskey Rebellion John Brown and Harpers Ferry Billy the Kid vs the Regulators The Coal Miner Rebellion 1860 Abolistionists Black citizens of the South vs the KKK for decades The Black Panthers Leftists gun clubs guarding Drag Queen Story Hour at libraries

    The more you look, the more incidents you find.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Nah, remember all the times the right protested while armed? Remember all the times the law came down hard? Me neither.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    That's because the right and law enforcement are the same thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Do like the Bundys, or the Republic of Texas separatists.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    You realize that those are the same side as ICE and the cops, of course they're going to be fine.

    You guys sure shoot out a lot of pro-violence when you're either using a cheat code (you're on the same side) or you're staying at home being a keyboard warrior. It's like you're a politician that sends other people's kids off to war.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    Yeaaaa no, the majority of those people are anti-atf types. That doesn't negate the point though, there was 0 law enforcement trying to do fuck all there.

    Also please STFU. I protested with BLM marches with other left leaning people being armed. Every time we were there the cops stood way the fuck back.

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    • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    Black ICE got a whole new meaning

    As in completely enshrouded in black clothing

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    [–] 18 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    This is 100% why the Left likes to repeat the Karl Marx quote:

    “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Guns are a problem in this country for certain, but the majority of people making that problem are on the RIGHT. They live in a culture of might makes right so being violent is the ultimate display of power. The number of left leaning shooters compared to right wing is insignificant.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    It's less insignificant than you think.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    FBI official report on political terrorism in the past 20 some odd years showed like 5 left leaning acts. Dozenss by the fundamentalist righties.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Who said anything about left wing terrorism?

    This is about peaceful and armed political protest.

    Edit: Ooooh, when you say shooters, you mean mass shooters.

    When I say shooters, I mean firearms enthusiasts.

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    • [–] 21 points 10 months ago*

    Well get guns, then. Whistles don't shoot.

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    [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    We need more self-defense (or rather community defense organizing) classes now more than ever. For Renee Nicole Good.

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    • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Turn up the heat. Melt the ice.

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    [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    We need guns to protect ourselves from other gun owners. Not even joking those are just the facts of our nightmare. Guns will never go away.

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    [–] 4 points 10 months ago*

    I'm very sorry for what happened to Renee Nicole Good. The government (through ICE) is really all up in our shit. Get the damn government outta here. Seriously!

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