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[–] 6 points 10 months ago

Does the US want another Vietnam? Cause this is how you get another Vietnam.

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    [–] 104 points 10 months ago (31 children)

    Those Colombian guerillas have been hiding in the jungle for decades. When the main body of FARC surrendered in 2017, many of them had never seen a smartphone before. They've been living the asymmetric warfare life since god knows when, they would prove extremely difficult to root out.

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  • [–] 66 points 10 months ago (30 children)

    It would be Vietnam all over again.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Yet another 20 year war the US will "win".

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  • [–] 39 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    We don't even pretend we won in Vietnam.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Oh you might be surprised how many think they did.

    Same with Afghanistan

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (7 children)

    Because some people go: akshually, we inflicted more casualties on the Vietnamese than they did to us so technically we are not defeated.

    It's an often repeated excuse since the US signed the Paris Peace accords and agreed to pull out of Vietnam. A US official at the time told that to his North Vietnamese counterpart. The based North Vietnamese official quipped "that may be the case, but that is irrelevant."

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

    So dumb. Who's in charge when the dust clears? There's your winner.

    Hint: It wasn't America. It's never America. We haven't won an armed conflict since WWII. Guerilla Warfare is highly effective against a massive force that can't get out of its own way.

    After 20 years, and trillions of dollars, we left Afghanistan, and the Taliban was back in power within hours. What a waste.

    Osama Bin laden won 9/11.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Also the defense contractors are likely happy that this happened, more money for them, and keeping the war going as long as possible even if there is no end in sight. so they donate alot to the gop.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    That's the point of ALL wars these days. The outcome never really works out, the people are never going to be pleased with the American invaders, even if they did take out the dictator. The likelihood is that they killed a whole lot of people doing that.

    The big winner in any war is the military industrial complex, and they are always the ones shouting for more war.

    They've been sitting around since the end of Afghanistan, restocking the shelves, but that's finished, and everybody is itching to get back to production, so it's time for a new war.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    We haven’t won an armed conflict since WWII

    Theres Grenada and Panama.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    What scares me is Trump may actually "win".

    By this I mean, in Vietnam the US had an interest in installing a puppet government and having another state to oppose the Soviet Union.

    Trump just wants the oil fields. He's not above leveling the whole country just to ensure access to the oil fields. He's flirted with the idea of nukes before and I don't put it past him to indiscriminately nuke large swaths of the rainforest/interior of Venezuela.

    He's mad enough to do it too, and his base will support him. We've known a US that commits war crimes and then tries to ignore them. We've never seen a US willing to proudly and loudly commit war crimes to achieve its goals.

    Now is it a victory to render nearly half the country unliveable for decades? I personally dont think so, but Trump does and that's the issue

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  • [+] -6 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    Except that Venezuela & Colombia are a lot closer to the US and a lot of the US population already speaks Spanish and the fact that a decent portion of the military is Hispanic.

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    It does actually, but against an invading army. There are reports of Russian fighters having trouble executing orders because the "enemy" also spoke Russian in some instances of the Ukraine/Russia war.

    When there is a common language, the people sent to fight might notice there is more in common between them and the people on the other side than with the people in power that sent them there to die if needed.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    In the context we are talking about.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    What do you mean? Those are objective differences. Whats your point?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Hint: the Colombian military speak fluent Spanish and know the territory.

    They have really good counterinsurgency units that have been fighting the guerrillas for years, with material and intelligence support from the USA.

    They have been unable to destroy the guerrillas. And when the current government tried to end the remaining ones via negotiation, they sprawled again and basically toke control of the Catatumbo department.

    If the US military get entangled in that fight, they will lose. After killing a lot of innocent civilians in the process.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    What point do you think youre making here? Everything you listed is a reason it would be tougher for the US than Afghanistan or Vietnam.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Wow, it’s almost like repeating history causes history to repeat.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    FUNNY HOW the msms suddenly dropped venezuela from the news, the moment the minnesota shooting happen, they need distractions constantly to get away from the epstein files.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    Yep, Trump's actions are gonna legitimize gangs and guerilleros

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    How to create terrorists 101

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    It's Vietnam 2: Oily Boogaloo

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    Just a reminder that America has not won an armed conflict since WWII, and they have been absolutely savaged by guerilla warfare strategies in multiple conflicts.

    Everybody fears the American Military, and they will do a lot of damage when they come to your neighborhood, but ultimately, they can't get out of their own way.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yes this.

    The US Military is setup to fight and disable entire countries, not to sustain a ground occupation contested by native guerrilla forces.

    Urban warfare and the fact that native attackers can hide in civilian populations will grind any army down. There are simply too many avenues of attack in an urban environment.

    The Army wants to draw a line in the ground and completely dominate one side of the line and then deploy the capability to rain death on anybody within 100+ miles of that line. They don't want to be clearing a neighborhood house to house and trying to detect every IED and ambush when any civilian could be holding a grenade or gun and any pile of rubble or trash could be an explosive.

    The only way this has been avoided in modern times is when Israel completely flatted most of Palestine, killing a large amount of civilians in the process. I don't think Donald Trump would try to avoid that option.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    It always amazes me when someone thinks they will invade a country, and deal with the old guy, install their own guy, and the people will all just be okay with it? They may have hated the old guy, but their going to hate the new guy just as much. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    Unless the invading force is willing to get genocidal, which Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller definitely is.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago*

    I don't know. It's not the 1960s anymore and Afghanistan is just an area built specifically to destroy empires. I fear that the modern war machine has capabilities now that it never had in the past. 24/7 satellite surveillance and AI monitoring. Digital forensics. Drones. Control of information networks and end points. They'd disappear these leaders in an instant and be able to trace their movement for the past month if they wanted. Any leader left to lead would be someone who is hurting their fight or leading them astray because it would be who America wanted to lead their revolution.

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    [–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I am expecting them to join ICE, and go to town on MAGA. No better place to attack a titan, than from the insides of the beast.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Sure getting a job with ICE is easy, but how would a bunch of Colombians enter the country and get a work permit in the first place?

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    This reminds me of SOMETHING, I cant put my finger on it....

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    How the hell did a random Columbian Guerilla end up running a fucking DPMS Kitty Kat?! Of all the choices in the world, that certainly is one of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Understandable

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