cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/44925200

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The fire that broke out on a bridge across the Teltow canal in the south-west of the capital early on Saturday could deprive up to 35,000 homes and 1,900 businesses of electricity – and in many cases heat – until 8 January, the grid company Stromnetz Berlin said.

As state security authorities opened an investigation into the cause of the blaze near the Lichterfelde heat and power station that damaged several high-voltage cables, the Vulkangruppe (Volcano Group) said.

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The area affected by the power cut includes many elderly care homes and hospitals as well as high-rise buildings with residents who are reliant on elevators that are now out of order. Berlin received moderate snowfall at the weekend and night-time temperatures plunged well below freezing.

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A previous arson attack attributed to the far left in September knocked out electricity for 60 hours in the south-east of the city in what was reportedly Berlin’s longest power cut since the second world war.

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[–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

There is currently some thought, that Russia is behind it. One of the signs of it, is that they write of a politican named Vans. They probably mean Vance, but used some translation system from Russian, were Vans and Vance are spelled the same way.

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  • [–] 57 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    This is either a false flag or they are fucking stupid.

    If you want to fight climate change, you don't target the people that are willing to support you. You target a private jet, an AI datacenter, a super-yatch... hurting the people who are not in the position to change anything is beyond stupid.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Leftist groups have made several similar arson attacks on infrastructure over the years.

    Last year https://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/tesla-hasser-anschlag-bahngleis

    https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article68c2f71cb57f8e2dfedfce82/stromausfall-in-berlin-nach-dem-mysterioesen-anschlag-suchen-die-ermittler-parallelen-zu-anderen-sabotageakten.html

    A couple of years ago https://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/polizeibericht/article210957193/S-Bahnhof-Treptower-Park-Brand-an-Kabelschacht.html

    It’s always the same modus operandi. They find essential cables, break in, then burn it down. It interrupts trains, public transport, phone networks, electricity, and such.

    Then a long statement is published with lots of words about stopping capitalism, military production, climate change, etc.

    The ones suffering are always the weakest.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Got it. So they are fucking stupid.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    They are fucking stupid. These are the kind of left wing nutjobs, that want the USSR to return under Putin. This is not the first time and it won't be the last, it's also effectively Russian sabotage

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago
    1. Be a leftist
    2. Attack public infrastructure

    Smart

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    As state security authorities opened an investigation into the cause of the blaze near the Lichterfelde heat and power station that damaged several high-voltage cables, the Vulkangruppe (Volcano Group) said it had deliberately targeted some of the city’s wealthiest districts. A police officer stands in front of the Lichterfelde power plant in south-west Berlin in the snow Berlin power outage hits 45,000 homes after suspected arson attack Read more

    In a 2,500-word pamphlet seen by the Guardian which a police spokesperson called “credible”, the group said it had aimed to “cut the juice to the ruling class”.

    It condemned a “greed for energy” produced by high-emission fossil fuels, calling the attack “action in the public interest” and an “act of self-defence and international solidarity with all those who protect the earth and life”.

    Not to condone these actions but strange that this most poignant part is left out of OP's summary.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The same group has a history of attacking the German railway system. So I am just going to call bs on them caring about the enviroment. Honestly this smells like a Russian operation to make the German left look like cunts. We actually know that they paid people to destroy combustion engine cars and leave paphlemts calling the German Green Party resposnible for it.

    I know they are anarchists, but it is probably imporant to say, that the power plant is owned by the city state of Berlin.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Just so weird to go under the banner of anarcho-primitivists for a false flag operation. Lots more relevant anarchist ideologies that make for easy-to-blame targets (green, queer, even ancoms). I'd reckon they're just misguided idealists.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    If you want to blame leftist environmentalists for something it is usually about them trying to destroy the social order and wanting to ban everything. When you take those ideas to the extreme you end up at anarcho-primitivism. Since few people have any idea what anarcho-primitivism even is and a lot of the media is on the side of the right, you just let the journalist call them say "Leftwing militants" and let them quote some pro environmental stuff to blame that group. Hell the Guardian did that too. That way more moderate leftist and environmental groups will be seen as terrorists, which let thousands suffer.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Might as well include this

    The area affected by the power cut includes many elderly care homes and hospitals as well as high-rise buildings with residents who are reliant on elevators that are now out of order. Berlin received moderate snowfall at the weekend and night-time temperatures plunged well below freezing.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Glad I'm an American leftie and not burning infrastructure that provides electricity to citizens.

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    [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Lol at the people here struggling to justify this.

    Honestly, I was expecting more claims the people doing it were technically far right because leftists can't be bad guys.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    There are people here trying to justify this? I can't find a single comment that is

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    People are pointing out some aspects this group revendicates : it targeted a neighbourhood with many rich people, they apologized for every struggling people affected by this, they used the same tactic against Tesla factory. Don't know what to think about it, those are just the comments of people that seem a bit knowledgeable about the situation.

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    [–] 10 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    How hard would it be to fly a drone into an aircraft engine and take out a private jet? Honest question, not that I'm planning on doing it tomorrow or anything, I just don't know much about drones or aircraft. I'm guessing it's pretty hard to do, otherwise it would have been done by now.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    On the ground? Easy, on the air It'd be pretty hard trying to keep up with them unless you had a rocket propelled drone or something based for speed, and you'd probably get one chance before it's past you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wWA62CLeXw

    You'd ideally want something explosive with shrapnel so proximity is less of a concern.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I think rocket propelled drones are called missiles.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Has anyone found the letter from Vulkangruppe? I'd like to have a little read.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    As with the Hamas attack on October 7th and Al Qaeda's on 9/11, as with John Brown's murder or slave owners on the eve of the US civil war, as with the Indian independence movement outside of Gandhi, as with suffragette terror bombings in the early 20th century, as with unionist terror bombings in Europe in the 19th century, it's important to put terrorism in the context of the times.

    Terrorism is bad, but it usually only exists in the context of far greater evils. Genocide, imperialism, colonialism, slavery, child labor, systeming oppression of women, and yes, climate change.

    Of all of these, climate change will be the most deadly (though colonialism probably still has it beat for genocide). Entire nations are already being wiped off the map, and dozens more will follow. Hundreds of millions will die violently, with the people of Berlin as a group killing thousands of them though their present-day emissions.

    In that context, focusing on condemning a couple of radicals who didn't even kill anyone is denying the gravity of the situation.

    Every terrorist group was condemned at the time of the events. Many are now considered good in the eyes of history, and most of those have had their actions whitewashed by educational institutes dedicated to the status quo, or have had their results attributed to their pacifist compatriots.

    I'm not saying anyone should engage in violence. There are plenty of people who need no encouragement if only you stop condemning and sanctioning them. Diversity of tactics has historically almost always been more effective than pacifism. So let us do our best in the way we like and let them do their best in the way they like.

    And before anyone cites Chenoweth at me, read their paper and their later comments about how the paper is being misused to argue for pacifism. Then if you're surprised, maybe add Gelderloos' The Failure of Nonviolence to your reading list.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 10 months ago

    This was a singularly stupid choice of target if it was an actual left-wing group and not a bunch of Russian assets. Doubly so if a climate group — we want to move home heating from fossil fuels to electricity, and this kind of attack makes it harder.

    There's a reason it was mostly Nazis attacking substations in the US a couple years ago

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago

    Protests over climate crisis, sets fire to things.

    Fucking geniuses.

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    [–] -1 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    The authoritarian left is what I call them. The same people that think others should be murdered for their speech.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    D’aww does someone want to platform Nazis and got yelled at?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Advocating to kill & lock people up for speech is fascism. I'm OG anti fascist.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    That is literally nothing to do with fascism. Umberto Eco’s Ur-Fascism’s 14 points are a good introduction as to what defines fascism.

    You might be thinking of authoritarian, but to argue intolerance of intolerance is such would still be a stretch.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Oh God here we go with the paradox of tolerance propaganda that you'll use to claim we should kill every Christian & their kids, and their dogs too. Maybe you should read more than Popper, or even some of his later work & stop treating everything like a handbook used by Zionist to justify their aggression & genocide. There are plenty of great philosophers that also challenged his work. I really don't know what to say except that killing people that disagree with you is what fascists do as well, and speech isn't killing you. People prefer good ideas over bad ones, and so if you have better ideas then offer those up. You will win people over by not turning violent.

    "Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love... Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate the white man, but to win his friendship and understanding.

    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

    — MLK Jr.

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