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[–] 74 points 10 months ago (14 children)

They are completely fucked in the head. Bernie is calling for peace, against american interventionism and Trump dragging the US into war, i cannot understand what an issue they have with that, isn't that what they should want from him?

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Tankies are supportive of trump since they believe that trump will bring the end of the US so Russia and China can swoop in as global powers

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    But Russia and China are not really communist. I don't understand how they can support those two governments. Karl Marx would not see either of them as true communist.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Neither are Tankies.

    Tankies larp as communists, but they're just authoritarianists that deepthroat the boot.

    Tankies operate on a very simple premise. west bad. that's it, that's as far as they think

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  • [+] -11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Account created hours ago, 16 comments made in a 45 minute period, all on this community.

    Edit: 45 minutes not hours

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    You're close. Tankies are supportive of anything that lines up with the state-sponsored propaganda they consume.

    They might "think" Trump will at least bring peace, during the election as a reason to not oppose him. They might hate Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, but love particular Russian-aligned US politicians who are ten times more "problematic" or pro-empire than those ones (or other particular ones they also do extensive hand-wringing about.) It's why they all support Maduro, it's why they hate Ukraine but support Palestine, it's why they love software like Lemmy but hate software like Wikipedia, it's why they are worried about green energy in Europe which isn't "practical" but also hate Biden because he didn't support clean energy enough, and so on and so on. Their collection of anecdotes and arguments is pretty much a perfect match for the Russian disinfo machine and there is literally no other thought process I can come up with that arrives at such a specific and self-contradictory assemblage of stances.

    They're just dim enough to get taken in. What proportion of them are true disinfo posters, and what proportion are genuine people who are simply dim enough to get fooled and so self-select themselves into the community, I have no idea, although I would love to be able to find out somehow.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Trump wants to work with dictators and is willing to work with Russia and China to divide up the world into their own areas of imperialistic influence. That's it, they are basically on the leash of troll factories when not members themselves. The only room for the left is the foreign state sanctioned left.

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  • [+] -3 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    He explicitly says that the US does not have the right to take over venezuela, and that congress has to pass a resolution to make sure that congress is the one who decides on wars and to end trumps shit. you and all the bears are failing at reading comprehension.

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  • [+] -4 points 10 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    He explicitly state that it would be ok with congressional approval

    Huh?.... Uh... Did you read the wrong statement? He said that war powers are explicitly given to Congress specifically to prevent unilateral action like this and calls out the act as terrible and destabilizing, ergo Congress would not have approved it.

    spends paragraphs whining about poor americans...

    He spends paragraphs pointing out the hypocrisy of the administration claiming to be doing terrible shit for the benefit of US citizens while citizens continue to be exploited. Trump is the one framing this as a domestic issue, this statement is responding to that, pointing out the absurdity of "running" Venezuela when he can't even run America.

    And yes no shit he's focusing on the American perspective because he's a politician writing to the American voter audience. If you took 4 seconds to comprehend his statement he's condemning American supremacy and imperialism.

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    [–] [S] 37 points 10 months ago (26 children)
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    Jesus fucking christ, one of them made a comic of Bernie with swastikas and shit saying HH. Bernie Sanders who is ethnically Jewish and has direct relatives murdered by the Nazis. What the actual fuck. These tankie fucks are truly some of the vilest shitbags out there. They can all get fucked.

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  • [+] -10 points 10 months ago* (22 children)

    Since you've linked to my post, maybe you lemmitors can help answer one of the questions posed in it:

    Can I get a quick rundown on what Maduro has done to be labelled as a "brutal dictator" by the liberal media?

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago

    I mean...

    Maduro was widely considered head of an authoritarian government characterized by electoral fraud, human rights abuses, corruption, and severe economic hardship. Between 2013 and 2023, Venezuela dropped 42 places in the Press Freedom Index.[24] According to estimates by the United Nations (UN) and Human Rights Watch, under Maduro's administration thousands of people have died in extrajudicial killings and seven million Venezuelans were forced to flee the country.[25][26][27]

    It continues, but there's no value in copy-pasting a whole Wikipedia page here. Just go there yourself and follow the citations. You're welcome to dismiss whatever news articles and sources you find on whatever grounds you want, but if you want to know the reasoning, no one is working to hide it from you.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago* (17 children)

    What liberal media? It's all owned by maga, but then with a name like that I just bet you're totally commenting here in good faith of course. Fuck it, I'll bite a little. How's about refusing the peaceful transfer of power for starters?

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  • [+] -9 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    How’s about refusing the peaceful transfer of power for starters?

    I'm starting to think Maduro was right about that. Turns out the Yanks really were trying to take over Venezuela!

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    Oh so he is a dictator but it's ok now. Don't get too tired carrying around those goalposts.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Trump kidnapped a head of state. If he gets away with it, he'll keep doing it with other heads of state.

    Centrists are ok with setting that precedent as long as it upsets the "tankies" they hate.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    how can you be centrist in a shithole like the US?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    I'm not one, but from the outside looking in, it appears as though the only actual requirement is a deep abiding love for genocide.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    the yanks do love their violence.

    tho where are you from? since outside of the US, outside of shit stain countries, what's so wrong about centrism?

    I suppose you could call me a centrist, I'm not bound to any party

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    I'm from the US and the deliberate worthlessness of centrists over the course of decades got us here.

    Their unwillingness to oppose fascism enabled the fascists.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    oh you are from the shithole. far as im concerned you're all equally accountable.

    you're not doing anything to prevent fascism either

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    When it comes to your shores, I know you'll welcome it.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    It tried on my shores, multiple times, and liberal democracy ended it each time. The latest effort was a colossal record-breaking loss. And that's even without guns.

    Your country though? It welcomed it twice.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Your country though? It welcomed it twice.

    Yup. My country is full of centrists and other conservatives.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Sounds like you need more secure democracy

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    [–] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    Where is the tankie part

    Also Bernie is a bit old at this point

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Being against summarily murdering everybody who belong to a group you don't like totally makes you a fascist, of course. Whereas calling for indiscriminate murder is really really progressive.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Also, where are the trump/Epstein files? Still waiting for the real ones here

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  • [+] -17 points 10 months ago

    Balalall bla bla bla bla bla bla bla

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  • [+] -39 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Sanders is a controlled opposition steam valve in a fascist empire, he is a fascist. Otherwise he wouldn't be on cable news.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Oh, yes. The person who has been on the side of the working class who has fought for civil and worker's rights for 60 years is totally a fascist plant. Were you dropped on your head as a child? It's okay, you can be honest.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Why's he go on cable news then?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    He appears on TV because that's been the main way to reach Americans enmasse for decades. Not everyone is on the internet 24/7 or watches independent media. Yes, the people who own and run these stations are not good people, but that does not change who Bernie is.

    Now for the real question: Why do you assume everyone who appears on cable news is automatically a fascist? What is it about an interview over the news that makes Bernie's entire past (again, 60 years, dude. Cable TV didn't exist back then) as someone who fights for the working class suddenly irrelevant? Are you going to claim that a 9 year old who wins a spelling bee is a fascist because they appeared on their local news channel to celebrate? Is a local soup kitchen run by fascists because the news did a story on them?

    Do you even have a clue how unreasonable your position is here?

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