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[โ€“] 49 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Conclusion

The reviewed phone makers โ€“ Volla, Fairphone, Shift and Punkt โ€“ focus on producing deGoogled phones with a deGoogled OS preinstalled. Itโ€™s great to see the trend of going Google-free growing, and itโ€™s a strong push-back againstย Googleโ€™s strategy of killing Android freedom and of making it impossible to install any app from any app store on Android.

Thatโ€™s not a very useful conclusion

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  • [โ€“] 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    It sound like something AI written but with some human intervention to make it look like less odd.
    Don't quote me on that though

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  • [โ€“] 25 points 10 months ago* (7 children)

    if you can use your banking app on it or not.

    If not, change the bank (and tell them why). This is the sustainable way.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    How do I know if my bank allows that before I switch? Also, how many other apps might not work on the new system?

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago

    Due to regulatory restrictions (second factor must be bound to a certified hardware), I think all German banks use integrity checks for devices (SafetyNet/Play Integrity). Those will usually fail on rooted devices (unless you get lucky with magisk) or won't work at all in the first place.

    IMHO, german banking apps are really the end boss.

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    If you have one of these phones be great to hear some personal experiences.

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  • [โ€“] 16 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I have had a Fairphine 6 running e/os for several months now, and I could not be happier. Fully de googled, but all apps I've needed run perfectly fine. Also I get around 40 hours of battery, so I charge the phone only every other day for about an hour.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    It's not quite degoogled. MicroG makes calls home to Google. Deactivate device registration and Cloud notifications in Micro G settings if you want to stop calls home but keep Google apps. Otherwise mtalk.google.com is making queries.

    I basically just used Shizuku and Canta to remove the MicroG settings. I'll just bank on a different machine that sits at my house constantly. F google.

    Also, the article leaves out that the phone has a kill switch that defaults to kill microphone and camera. I think it is configurable but I have not tried since I like the default.

    1000000036

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    40 hours of battery?

    You mean on standby?

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    No I mean with day to day use, watching videos, listening to podcasts, scrolling through Lemmy, messaging, etc...

    I rarely call though.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 10 months ago

    I've been using a Shiftphone 8 (after upgrading from a Shiftmq 6) with the degoogled ShiftOS-L. It does the job. The removable battery is really nice since I can carry around a spare battery and quickly swap if needed. However, it is made by a small company, so updates are quite sparse. I'd like to switch to iodรฉOS once it gets out of beta.

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  • [โ€“] 25 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    As an American, this is mostly a nonstarter, but right now, the only alternative that really intrigues me is the Jolla Phone (which I invariably have to look up to make sure I'm not getting it mixed up with Volla), because it's the only one that isn't just running a custom Android ROM. We need a true, viable alternative to Android and iOS and, to me, a de-googled ROM is only a half measure. Furthermore, the alternative needs to be free and open source, and community-driven.

    Makes me wish I'd gone into software development 25 years ago because now I can only wish I could be the change I want to see in the world.

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    And I can guarantee you'd be basically helpless and mostly useless as a mobile dev in this landscape...

    I'm painting a grim picture but the reality is that the task is so ginormous that it would take tremendous ressources and thousands of devs to make it happen.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 10 months ago

    This. I was putting a lot of hope into the PinePhone, but the effort required to 1) make it at least barely usable and then 2) keep it that way across updates is just too huge.

    And believe me, I tried back then. Even as a software developer, I couldn't live with it, making all the possible sacrifices. After more than a year of struggles I just got a Pixel 7 and couldn't be happier to this day.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    While Jolla phones aren't running Android, they sadly still require the Android kernel.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 10 months ago

    As I understand it they use the Android kernel since the hardware manufacturers does not add hardware support in the Linux kernel. So they don't really have any option.

    However, it is still an issue that it can't be 100% de-Googled.

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Where DeAndroided phones? Gib linux.

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Interesting that they don't cover puri.sm5 or NitroPhone, the latter having been built around GrapheneOS which the Tuta article implies is still a ways off for degoogled phones. This is actually a Pixel9a that has been modified to degoogle it, and seems like the most security-focused consumer phone I've looked at so far.

    https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop/nitrophone-5a-807

    Useful article in any event, thanks.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    Purism is American does not run Android, and the NitroPhone is a rebranded Pixel with Graphene and disconnected sensors. Useful for privacy, not for e.g. European independence. Not much different from a particular reselling Pixels with Graphene.

    Edit: Changing my reasoning.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The OP's and article's subjects did not specify a need for the less secure Android OS. And the NitroPhone is entirely deGoogled which @goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com or others could understand by reading the linked article, rather than rushing into snark-combat.

    Tuta's article was not about nonPixel phones. It was about escaping the Google ecosystem which aligns with the Nitro's purpose, along with its hardening of security by physical removal of pixel's sensors, to start. The [re-]design philosophy and methodology appear sound. If I were looking for a new, deGoogled phone now in the $900+ USD range, it would likely be my top consideration.

    But again, it was an interesting article.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    While I have rewritten my first comment, I'll add an answer: NitroPhone has the same usecases as Graphene, and deGoogling is a side goal to privacy, in opposition to e.g. Lineage. This article seems to be for pure deGoogling and, to a lesser extent, phones assembled in Europe, which Nitro is not. A final reason is that Nitrokey is unknown to many, and possibly those that made Tuta's post.

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    [โ€“] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Hopefully within 2026 we can start to refer to phones as 'Android/Google Phones', 'iPhones' and 'FOSS Phones' - No longer referring to them as 'DeGoogled'.

    But I am 100% understanding why we use the term now, it came from a Reddit sub. I think (and hope) if we start using the alternative term - FOSS Phones or Open Source or Sailfish/Jolla or whatever else they are.. that people will start looking at that option quicker.

    DeGoogled sounds to many like it is a bit of work to get rid of google (Buying a google phone and having to remove it). At one stage that was true, custom roms etc.

    But I am hoping at this stage anyone buying any of these phones will already know why they are choosing them over other brands.

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    [โ€“] 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Shame on tuta for the headline. Sure, theyโ€™re European companies, but according to the article everything except the Volla phone is made in China.

    Per the article, the Volla phone starts manufacturing in Taiwan (which I 100% support) and then finishes in Germany so thatโ€™s the only one of these that Iโ€™d actually consider.

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  • [โ€“] 37 points 10 months ago

    A big thing about the Fairphone is ensuring proper compensation to the entire production chain for the phone.

    When it comes to electronics its essentially impossible not to have it go through China, and even if it does not go through China, there is no guarantee that workers are not being exploited. So making sure that there is no exploitation in the production processes is more important for me than avoiding China altogether.

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  • [โ€“] 28 points 10 months ago

    We live in a globalised world. To demand a "pure" X phone is simply ludicrous. Children mine many important minerals with little to no protection in west African countries, and if it's not children, it's probably Uyghurs or some other minority for the rare earth metals, the chips are made in multiple countries but mostly China and Taiwan using Dutch machines, assembled by suicidal hand in East and Central Asian countries, and sold in Europe. And that's not even all parts of the supply chain! Nearly every single link exploits one person or another, the money is used to lobby or forcefully keep the status quo in said country while making mostly already wealth Westerners rich.

    To have a purely European phone, you'd probably have to pay 5k at least for the phone. Every European country's citizens will resist mining in their country because they are acutely aware of the environmental damage it does and who will get rich from it, but they will gleefully buy the same product made under horrible conditions in other countries and not bat an eye when asked if it's hypocritical. "At least it wasn't my backyard".

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Price is the biggest issue for me. Those phones cost over 600 euros while you can get Pixel 9a for 400, probably less if there's a deal (I got 8a a year ago for 250). 650 euros for a mid-range phone is a lot. 200-400 euros more just not to buy a Pixel... I will think about it.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 10 months ago

    Got the volla quintus on Black Friday. Have been fucking around with the dual boot going back and forth between Ubuntu and their Volla OS since then. Itโ€™s fun and works for me.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 10 months ago

    Are any of those available in the US?

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 9 months ago

    Arg, it's so frustrating. Punkt isn't a smartphone. The rest are just shipping with Android OS so we're still in the US walled garden. I REALLY wish the EU would put proper investment into Jolla. Mandate banking apps work on an EU specific phone provider, give people a real alternative.

    I can't expect the average person to take on the pain of moving to Sailfish in the hope enough demand means banks would naturally move to an EU alternative. But do please move to Jolla/Sailfish!

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 4 months ago

    Just want to say, I'm very happy with my Shiftphone 8.1, which is running e/os L (no Google). I use Micro G for payments with Curve Pay and use Magic Earth instead of Maps. It is amazing how long the battery lasts without Big Tech constantly looking over my shoulder.

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