Maduro might be an idiot, but the press needs to be vigilant here.
"What right does the US have to do this?"
"So other countries can do this to the US for similar reasons and not expect repercussions?"
Maduro might be an idiot, but the press needs to be vigilant here.
"What right does the US have to do this?"
"So other countries can do this to the US for similar reasons and not expect repercussions?"
Don’t forget Libya
And Nicaragua, Cuba before Fidel, and hell Venezuela before Chavez
Fuck Trump and Fuck anyone who didn't refuse orders to attack Venezuela without provocation
“captured”
lol - kidnapped would be more correct.
Captured is for people at war. Kidnapped is the right term for what happened here.
The manufacturing consent is going brazy today. I read a few headlines that had attack, in quotation marks. Like "attack".
The fuck are the quotation marks for? Who we quotin? Just call a fucking spade a spade
As an American citizen, I'm 150 fucking percent against this in all ways shape and form. I don't know how to prevent this from continuing but I'll be looking for any chance at having this country both formally apologizing and prosecuting the idiots responsible.
What goddamn horrible news to wake up to, my apologies to our fellow people on spaceship earth.
E: did anyone notice the not-so-veiled threat against Cuba?
I've started reminding people with youngs sons that they need to sign up for the draft. Always interesting when you ask the ones i know vote republican suddenly realize their votes could kill their kids. Glad I'm old enough to avoid this shit.
US imperialism is bipartisan, though. Always been a genocidal, warmongering power.
Yes, two parties, one right wing and the other fascist as is. The US never was a real democracy for the people, only for Billonairs, Big Corporations and several economic and media lobbies which are making the policy to their like. Feudalism v2.0
I was just explaining to some of my overseas friends how embarrassed and ashamed I was of the current administration, domestically and abroad.
Less than 24 hours later, this fucking disgrace.
I think the whole “we’re taking over Venezuela” is just your typical Trump bravado. I believe user xiaohongshu on Hexbear has the correct angle:
I think everyone is too fixated on the empire getting into a long war but I don’t think that’s the goal here.
Just like Trump’s B-2 stunt on Iran’s Fordow back in June, the US operation was a quick in, quick out operation. Nothing seems to have significantly changed on the surface, but the message has been sent. The US is sowing political instability in the region, and it scares away foreign investments especially China’s.
Just look at China-Iran trade numbers, it’s plunging by 20% this year. Chinese investors are pulling away because they cannot see profitable return in Iran and the surrounding regions. This worsens the economic condition in Iran, and months later, we see the Iranians protesting as a result.
The same play is being replicated in Venezuela here against Latin America. The US has no interest in getting dragged into a long war. It wants to demonstrate how easily it can upset the political balance in Latin America. Do you seriously think that Chinese investors will still want to invest billions on Venezuela seeing how easily the leadership can be kidnapped?
The investment’s gone, and the US simply has to sit back and wait for the situation to deteriorate even further, and the regime change opportunity will present itself. But it’s not even about Venezuela, it’s about the US dominance over Latin America.
I will be honest, I was expecting the US to do IOF / Palantir type actions and try to take out government and civilian leadership several levels deep. While taking out a single leader rarely does anything, removing an entire leadership structure in an already unstable situation can be devastating. The fact that, for now, the US is stopping at “just” Maduro encourages me that the Bolivarian Revolution will continue on, now with even more support from the people.
I think now it will be a battle of how much the Trump admin can do in the face of international condemnation (outside of US vassal states, that is) and likely increased support of Venezuela from its neighbors. Trump will almost certainly dig in on sanctions until Venezuela hands over their oil. But I don’t see that happening, so I don’t know what happens.
America is truly an evil country.
Trump has admitted that there are a lot of CIA agents in Venezuela. It was also suspiciously easy for the USA to get Maduro out of the country.
My guess is that the USA likely expects a coup to happen which will install a friendly regime.
Trump is already threatening the new replacement President and more violence.
I've got a better pic somewhere of uncle sam as a drug addict, slouched on the floor and injecting oil into his veins.
please share
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Mexico Condemns US Military Intervention in Venezuela as UN Charter Breach
Venezuela’s Vice-President Delcy Rodriguez has given her first public address following the US military operation that captured Maduro and his wife.
“We demand the immediate release of President Nicolas Maduro and his wife. The only president of Venezuela is President Nicolas Maduro,” said Rodriguez.
Rodriguez called for calm and unity to defend the country amid Maduro’s “kidnapping” and said Venezuela will never be the colony of any nation.
This goes against Rubio's claim a few hours ago that Rodriguez would be a US puppet leader.
EDIT: Updated confirmation
Same as it ever was. Everyone here seems to keep waiting for the old war dogs to die off and hope there is peace after that. That won't work IMO.
Our geriatric leadership are only puppets, and politics are just a dog and pony show to placate the masses. Divided and conquered, the USA divides and conquers.
Do you feel a part of the earth we all share must turn to ash before there is solidarity amongst the working class of both our nation states?
Fuck imperialism🖕Fuck the USA
Perhaps some intrepid souls could arrange to kidnap Trump and Melania and deliver them to the Hague.
The Hague wouldnt do shit lol
The US has passed a law that it reserves the right to invade The Hague if any US people are arrested by the ICC
Fucking terrible news to wake up to.
Really hope the revolution can survive without him.
For all the shit he talks on the EU, he’s doing his best to get a Latin American Union created to defend themselves against the US.
Right now, the US Empire is installing compradors in Honduras, Argentina, and Chile. Venezuela is an attempt at that. The chance of Latin American unity comes mostly from Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Nicaragua, Boliva, Cuba, and Venezuela, and that's why these countries are being targeted by the US Empire.
I watched Trump’s advisor tell the BBC that Venezuela is not like Iraq because it’s homogenous and surrounded by democracies.
They’re massively overconfident. This could go downhill very badly. Rebels could damage the pipelines and sabotage the oil industry, requiring the US to put troops on the ground.
Mercenaries and carried out like Iraq was done
U.S. Attack on Venezuela Exposes the True Face of Imperialism: FM Gil
The World Condemns Imperialist Assault Against Caracas
2 Vital Reasons China Condemns US Attack on Venezuela as Illegal and Dangerous
"Old men keep dreaming up battles for young men to fight."
Daggers - The Chariot
Now playing XTC - Generals and Majors
Fuck war and those who pursue them.
Why take him alive? Aren't they essentially going to have to put together an embarrassing kangaroo court now? Do we think they are going to try and go the secret military tribunal route?
Trump is the reality TV president, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it like a TV court drama.
How will they neutralize all the procedural protections for defendants in the US courts and prevent Maduro from turning it into a mockery of itself?
Trump has shown a tendency to just ignore procedure and just do whatever he wants. The only reason he wouldn't be able to do that is if he was opposed, but who is going to oppose it? There's a few Democrats, but not even a majority of the electeds. I doubt there's a single Republican that'd oppose. Would the Supreme Court stop him?
I think he can make this as big and stupid as he wants, and unless the masses protest against it he'll get away with it.
So that's the thing that's most confusing to me, of all the powers and systems and institutions in the US, the only one that has ever meaningfully constrained Trump at all is the courts. (Of course I grant that they have given him completely unprecedented leeway and rolled over in many many instances)
If the Trump DOJ brings charges in federal court, which they seem to be signaling is their plan, then then Maduro will have a right to a lawyer, the right to discovery, the right to cross-examine witnesses, the right to appeal....
I guess they could try and have it both ways? Instead of sovereign immunity meaning that the US courts have no jurisdiction whatsoever, try to use sovereign immunity as a justification for why Maduro doesn't get defendant rights? It all seems super messy and like Trump and his clatch of idiots are marching down a line of rakes
The lower courts can meaningfully delay Trump, but that lasts until it reaches the Supreme Court. The rigged 6-3 fascist Court almost always either rules in his favor, or delays an official ruling to let him get away with whatever he's doing.
They will have to really tie themselves in knots to put aside the absolutely foundational legal doctrine of sovereign immunity. If any court would though, it's these fuckers.
I still don't see how they avoid a years-long circus in the lower courts
They can also fast-track cases from the lower courts to accelerate them to the Supreme Court, and have done so. Another trick they have is to make an interim ruling without issuing a majority opinion through the so-called "shadow docket". Then they can have the whole trial while the circus in the lower courts plays itself out. He could be in prison for years before they rule it unconstitutional.
Assuming Trump doesn't push for public execution.
Kind of a turning point moment IMO
Does Trump have his final victory over "The rule of law" and bulldoze his way to a grand spectacle execution in a stadium?
Or will this enterprise be mired in procedure and their own incompetence until the whole thing falls apart?
I think my prediction is more towards the latter, but I think both ends of the spectrum are within the realm of possibility
I'm 60/40 thinking Trump is going to win here, because there's no one to actually oppose him. In other cases where he's tied up in court it's because there's political opposition. Who opposes this? A few progressives? It's almost a bipartisan consensus.
I think that's what makes it such a perfect test case.
All the politics and all the neocons and all the propaganda versus international law older than the nation itself
As if they even care about this. This is case with no precedent, they will just use some lip service patriot act shit to neutralise all protections and then torture him and use his wife as hostage before the trial. Of course they could flop everything spectacularly out of sheer incompetence and thoughtlessness on their part, but i wouldn't count, and even if, they can always murder him like Milosevic.
People have mentioned torture of Maduro or his wife in other threads and I do agree that a tortured confession would be an easy way out of this for them. The thing that gives me pause is that a cartoon villain always treats a named antagonist with kid gloves, which is how Trump seems to behave in my opinion. If we see Maduro fight the charges versus giving up relatively soon with a confession we should know which way it went
Trump is not a cartoon villain, and the letter agencies thugs are certainly not cartoon villains, they are real ones, and on the forefront of torture enhanced interrogation techniques research.
Oh yes the deep state / neocons are pure evil. Trump is evil too, but he has all these weird hang-ups and hesitations when he "should" be decisive. I think it's some weird TV image thing that he himself doesn't even understand. There's nothing I would put past these people but they also keep fucking up
There will be a high profile show trial and execution. This is our new reality. My nonexistent god, I am seeing the Fourth Reich.
What remains of the free world need to develop nuclear weapons to prevent "liberation" by the American Fascist regime.
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