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[–] 106 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Maduro might be an idiot, but the press needs to be vigilant here.

"What right does the US have to do this?"

"So other countries can do this to the US for similar reasons and not expect repercussions?"

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  • [–] 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Kidnapping of a head of state is completely illegal, and south american countries should be uniting and mobilizing for coming wars with the US to prevent similar intrigues in their own countries.

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  • [–] 40 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    It won't be surprising if zelensky gets killed in a missile strike next week.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    They don't want to, they could do that easily.
    He is not liked as it is by ukrainians, and he would be replaced by the fascist Zalushny.
    Last year Zelenski gave medals to troops and Russia waited until he left to strike the building.
    They know exactly where he is and when.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    He is not liked as it is by ukrainians

    Absolute nonsense. Show data.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    he has about 20 percent, if you care so much about the little beggar look it up yourself, IDC about that fascist shithole.
    Whovevermay be the'president' in it's last months

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  • [+] -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    it's from your own nazi Kiev independent you banderite idiot.
    Or do you want to believe numlbers from the banana republic and the president kidnapping pedo? Whatever clown.

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  • [+] -2 points 10 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Excellent rebuttal.

    Says "can't read", didn't even read the article they linked. Writes like a monkey bashing a keyboard with a stick.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    read again or ask your whore mother to read my comment saying he has about 20%
    Exactly, dumb AF
    not wasting more time on you nazi fuck.
    Can have a more intelligent convo with my cat.
    Enjoy losing bitch

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago

    Okay, let me explain, like I would explain to a pigeon:

    1. He would win the popular vote, as per article you linked
    2. His approval ratings are incredibly high (67%)

    I don't know what you don't understand. If there's an apple, a banana and a pear, and most people pick an apple, it doesn't mean they hate bananas or pears.

    This is where the approval rating comes in.

    Do you like the fruit you got? Yes/no. This is the statistic that shows WHETHER PEOPLE LIKE IT OR NOT

    Lmao, I can't. Tell me again "but, but 20%??", please.

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  • [+] 64 points 10 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 60 points 10 months ago

    Fuck Trump and Fuck anyone who didn't refuse orders to attack Venezuela without provocation

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  • [–] 111 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    “captured”

    lol - kidnapped would be more correct.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    The manufacturing consent is going brazy today. I read a few headlines that had attack, in quotation marks. Like "attack".

    The fuck are the quotation marks for? Who we quotin? Just call a fucking spade a spade

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  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

    As an American citizen, I'm 150 fucking percent against this in all ways shape and form. I don't know how to prevent this from continuing but I'll be looking for any chance at having this country both formally apologizing and prosecuting the idiots responsible.

    What goddamn horrible news to wake up to, my apologies to our fellow people on spaceship earth.

    E: did anyone notice the not-so-veiled threat against Cuba?

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I've started reminding people with youngs sons that they need to sign up for the draft. Always interesting when you ask the ones i know vote republican suddenly realize their votes could kill their kids. Glad I'm old enough to avoid this shit.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    US imperialism is bipartisan, though. Always been a genocidal, warmongering power.

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  • [–] 48 points 10 months ago
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    I think the whole “we’re taking over Venezuela” is just your typical Trump bravado. I believe user xiaohongshu on Hexbear has the correct angle:

    I think everyone is too fixated on the empire getting into a long war but I don’t think that’s the goal here.

    Just like Trump’s B-2 stunt on Iran’s Fordow back in June, the US operation was a quick in, quick out operation. Nothing seems to have significantly changed on the surface, but the message has been sent. The US is sowing political instability in the region, and it scares away foreign investments especially China’s.

    Just look at China-Iran trade numbers, it’s plunging by 20% this year. Chinese investors are pulling away because they cannot see profitable return in Iran and the surrounding regions. This worsens the economic condition in Iran, and months later, we see the Iranians protesting as a result.

    The same play is being replicated in Venezuela here against Latin America. The US has no interest in getting dragged into a long war. It wants to demonstrate how easily it can upset the political balance in Latin America. Do you seriously think that Chinese investors will still want to invest billions on Venezuela seeing how easily the leadership can be kidnapped?

    The investment’s gone, and the US simply has to sit back and wait for the situation to deteriorate even further, and the regime change opportunity will present itself. But it’s not even about Venezuela, it’s about the US dominance over Latin America.

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I will be honest, I was expecting the US to do IOF / Palantir type actions and try to take out government and civilian leadership several levels deep. While taking out a single leader rarely does anything, removing an entire leadership structure in an already unstable situation can be devastating. The fact that, for now, the US is stopping at “just” Maduro encourages me that the Bolivarian Revolution will continue on, now with even more support from the people.

    I think now it will be a battle of how much the Trump admin can do in the face of international condemnation (outside of US vassal states, that is) and likely increased support of Venezuela from its neighbors. Trump will almost certainly dig in on sanctions until Venezuela hands over their oil. But I don’t see that happening, so I don’t know what happens.

    America is truly an evil country.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Trump has admitted that there are a lot of CIA agents in Venezuela. It was also suspiciously easy for the USA to get Maduro out of the country.

    My guess is that the USA likely expects a coup to happen which will install a friendly regime.

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I've got a better pic somewhere of uncle sam as a drug addict, slouched on the floor and injecting oil into his veins.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I took a pic of this comment and I'll get back to you if I plug in the pc. I can upload images on here right? I just don't see many people posting images as replies.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago
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    According to Aljazeera:

    Venezuela’s VP says Maduro the ‘only president’ of Venezuela

    Venezuela’s Vice-President Delcy Rodriguez has given her first public address following the US military operation that captured Maduro and his wife.

    “We demand the immediate release of President Nicolas Maduro and his wife. The only president of Venezuela is President Nicolas Maduro,” said Rodriguez.

    Rodriguez called for calm and unity to defend ‌the country amid Maduro’s “kidnapping” and said Venezuela will ‍never be the colony of any nation.


    This goes against Rubio's claim a few hours ago that Rodriguez would be a US puppet leader.

    EDIT: Updated confirmation

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  • [–] 35 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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    Same as it ever was. Everyone here seems to keep waiting for the old war dogs to die off and hope there is peace after that. That won't work IMO.

    Our geriatric leadership are only puppets, and politics are just a dog and pony show to placate the masses. Divided and conquered, the USA divides and conquers.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago

    They also kidnapped his wife because... things.

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  • [–] 61 points 10 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago

    Death to all the imperialist scum

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Fuck imperialism🖕Fuck the USA

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    [–] 60 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Perhaps some intrepid souls could arrange to kidnap Trump and Melania and deliver them to the Hague.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The US has passed a law that it reserves the right to invade The Hague if any US people are arrested by the ICC

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago

    Fucking terrible news to wake up to.

    Really hope the revolution can survive without him.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    For all the shit he talks on the EU, he’s doing his best to get a Latin American Union created to defend themselves against the US.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago

    Right now, the US Empire is installing compradors in Honduras, Argentina, and Chile. Venezuela is an attempt at that. The chance of Latin American unity comes mostly from Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Nicaragua, Boliva, Cuba, and Venezuela, and that's why these countries are being targeted by the US Empire.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I watched Trump’s advisor tell the BBC that Venezuela is not like Iraq because it’s homogenous and surrounded by democracies.

    They’re massively overconfident. This could go downhill very badly. Rebels could damage the pipelines and sabotage the oil industry, requiring the US to put troops on the ground.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago
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    "Old men keep dreaming up battles for young men to fight."

    Daggers - The Chariot

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (18 children)

    Why take him alive? Aren't they essentially going to have to put together an embarrassing kangaroo court now? Do we think they are going to try and go the secret military tribunal route?

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    Trump is the reality TV president, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it like a TV court drama.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (14 children)

    How will they neutralize all the procedural protections for defendants in the US courts and prevent Maduro from turning it into a mockery of itself?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (9 children)

    Trump has shown a tendency to just ignore procedure and just do whatever he wants. The only reason he wouldn't be able to do that is if he was opposed, but who is going to oppose it? There's a few Democrats, but not even a majority of the electeds. I doubt there's a single Republican that'd oppose. Would the Supreme Court stop him?

    I think he can make this as big and stupid as he wants, and unless the masses protest against it he'll get away with it.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (8 children)

    So that's the thing that's most confusing to me, of all the powers and systems and institutions in the US, the only one that has ever meaningfully constrained Trump at all is the courts. (Of course I grant that they have given him completely unprecedented leeway and rolled over in many many instances)

    If the Trump DOJ brings charges in federal court, which they seem to be signaling is their plan, then then Maduro will have a right to a lawyer, the right to discovery, the right to cross-examine witnesses, the right to appeal....

    I guess they could try and have it both ways? Instead of sovereign immunity meaning that the US courts have no jurisdiction whatsoever, try to use sovereign immunity as a justification for why Maduro doesn't get defendant rights? It all seems super messy and like Trump and his clatch of idiots are marching down a line of rakes

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    The lower courts can meaningfully delay Trump, but that lasts until it reaches the Supreme Court. The rigged 6-3 fascist Court almost always either rules in his favor, or delays an official ruling to let him get away with whatever he's doing.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (6 children)

    They will have to really tie themselves in knots to put aside the absolutely foundational legal doctrine of sovereign immunity. If any court would though, it's these fuckers.

    I still don't see how they avoid a years-long circus in the lower courts

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    They can also fast-track cases from the lower courts to accelerate them to the Supreme Court, and have done so. Another trick they have is to make an interim ruling without issuing a majority opinion through the so-called "shadow docket". Then they can have the whole trial while the circus in the lower courts plays itself out. He could be in prison for years before they rule it unconstitutional.

    Assuming Trump doesn't push for public execution.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    Kind of a turning point moment IMO

    Does Trump have his final victory over "The rule of law" and bulldoze his way to a grand spectacle execution in a stadium?

    Or will this enterprise be mired in procedure and their own incompetence until the whole thing falls apart?

    I think my prediction is more towards the latter, but I think both ends of the spectrum are within the realm of possibility

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    I'm 60/40 thinking Trump is going to win here, because there's no one to actually oppose him. In other cases where he's tied up in court it's because there's political opposition. Who opposes this? A few progressives? It's almost a bipartisan consensus.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    I think that's what makes it such a perfect test case.

    All the politics and all the neocons and all the propaganda versus international law older than the nation itself

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (3 children)

    As if they even care about this. This is case with no precedent, they will just use some lip service patriot act shit to neutralise all protections and then torture him and use his wife as hostage before the trial. Of course they could flop everything spectacularly out of sheer incompetence and thoughtlessness on their part, but i wouldn't count, and even if, they can always murder him like Milosevic.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    People have mentioned torture of Maduro or his wife in other threads and I do agree that a tortured confession would be an easy way out of this for them. The thing that gives me pause is that a cartoon villain always treats a named antagonist with kid gloves, which is how Trump seems to behave in my opinion. If we see Maduro fight the charges versus giving up relatively soon with a confession we should know which way it went

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Trump is not a cartoon villain, and the letter agencies thugs are certainly not cartoon villains, they are real ones, and on the forefront of torture enhanced interrogation techniques research.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Oh yes the deep state / neocons are pure evil. Trump is evil too, but he has all these weird hang-ups and hesitations when he "should" be decisive. I think it's some weird TV image thing that he himself doesn't even understand. There's nothing I would put past these people but they also keep fucking up

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    What remains of the free world need to develop nuclear weapons to prevent "liberation" by the American Fascist regime.

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