Now when trying to activate the OS by attempting to call the phone number for Microsoft Product Activation, an automated voice response says the following: "Support for product activation has moved online.

Linux is this way, guys.

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[–] 90 points 10 months ago* (10 children)

Remember when you activated software with a key on the back of the CD case?

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  • [–] 56 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] [S] 35 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I remember key generators.. :)

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Never had any luck with those to say the least...

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  • [–] 36 points 10 months ago

    To all Linux users. Help out the new ones, explain calmly and make them feel welcome so that they can contribute back later too.

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  • [–] 110 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    This alone is enough for me, to consider Windows a bad choise.

    I've said that line so many times.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I would note that every single time I've tried to reactivate windows after a mobo or CPU upgrade, it has failed.

    I guess it's supposed to work better if you sign into your Microsoft account ever, which I don't, because I see literally no reason they would need me to expect to advance spyware and adware.

    The phone activation is the only thing that has worked. Good thing I've been dual booting a Ubuntu fork for the past six months. I guess after my next hardware upgrade I'll be Linux only.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I‘ll stay with 10 until I figured out Bitwig.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    What's your current DAW of choice? If it's Ableton, Bitwig should be a breeze to figure out.

    Also aside from that, most DAWs and VSTs work great in WINE.

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  • [–] 60 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Dear Microsoft,

    Could you please squeeze your users a little harder yet.

    We're eager for the year of the linux desktop.

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  • [–] 51 points 10 months ago

    microsoft kills official

    was gettin excited there

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  • [+] 24 points 10 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I had a copy of windows Xp that I used to call to get activated.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The moment I needed Microsoft’s permission to use my computer after installing a graphics card, I made an image of the drive, wiped it and installed a Linux distribution. That was 2008, and I’ve been a very happy computer user since.

    I know not everyone can make that switch, but it’s easier than ever before, and Valve has really changed the calculus with Proton. Gaming was the biggest thing holding back Linux adoption (IMO).

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  • [+] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Adobe is sadly the only thing that still requires windows.

    Fuck Adobe and everyone there, they were the OGs that started the subscription bullshit for software and they had such dominance no business could say no, thus no schools could say no.

    And they've just been buying up competition since, so no one can challenge them.

    Adobe and Oracle are the software equivalent of cancer.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Fuck Adobe and everyone there, they were the OGs that started the subscription bullshit for software….

    For home use, sure. For business use in a business that’s regulated, it’s a godsend. No longer do I have to fight with management about why we need to upgrade Adobe Acrobat even though we “just” bought it 5 years ago.

    You pay and it stays up to date. No more vulnerabilities that go unpatched because “we just bought the software” (5 years ago and it’s out of support).

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  • [–] 87 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This is the dumbest decision for one reason alone: some laptops and desktops that lack updated drivers cannot connect to the internet.

    It literally happened to me with a lenovo laptop, where I had to find a way to bypass the internet requirement or else I'd have a $800 paperweight.

    If I didn't need Windows for a specific reason I'd be on Linux, believe me. But this decision is ridiculous.

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  • [–] 36 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    This garbage makes me so glad I switched to Linux Mint. Gaming has been just fine. Sure there have been a few hurdles, but they were well-worth spending time on as Microsoft continues this foolishness.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I've been perfectly happy on Mint since switching over a year ago. The few games I play run just fine (FO4, FOLON, Portal, and such), and the other apps work too, GIMP, Inkscape, LibreOffice, Blender, etc.

    In spite of the recent post about which Linux distro to recommend, and seeing many no longer recommend Mint, I'll stick with Mint. It just works.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    "What else can we do that's hostile to our customers?"

    The next move will be bringing back Clippy and then a full-screen ad that you have to dismiss every ten seconds.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago

    It was only a matter of time. Surprised it took this long.

    My last Windows will officially be the Win10 IOT I have installed in a Virtual Box, just so I can run a couple of little programs that aren't available for Linux, and don't work in Wine.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    There are offline environments that cannot do it online, this is bullshit. Working with critical infrastructure in OT networks, Microsoft is basically saying that Windows should not be used anymore in those.

    Problem is that OT is full of legacy shit, so switching to Linux is more easily said than done.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    And with that any chance I’ll ever buy a Microsoft product ever again.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (27 children)

    I’d switch off windows but most of the games I play won’t work on Linux due to “anti cheat”.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    I've come to terms with the fact that i just won't play those games. There are just too many wonderful games out there that do run perfectly well under linux. Does help that most of my gaming buddies think the same. Definitely a challenge when your entire friend group is hooked in those kinda games

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (18 children)

    Not judging, just curious.

    What games are those? In the last 12 months I tried 151 games on Linux. All of them worked, only 6 required tinkering.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    The fact they mentioned "anti cheat", it's going to be your modern online multiplayer games. It's going to be games like Fortnite, PUBG, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

    @ipkpjersi @v0rldI would still like to know which and why. Usually there are alternatives out even for those multiplayer games. Example -> all the Valve Games / Blizards Games are good too ;)

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    sadly most online mp games have kernel-level anti-cheat that doesn't run on linux

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    @octohami can't agree with this general statement. i guess it's important to understand that a lot of the multiplayer games you wanna currently play have some kind of protection which makes it currently not suitable to run on linux. just to give a different view mp games which currently seem to work ( checked protondb ):- Eldenring Nightreign- Dark and Darker (used to work)- Helldivers & Helldivers 2- Arc Raiders- Counter Strike- Overwatch- DOOM in very different versions- Quake Live- Hunt Showdown 1896- Dead by Daylight- Warframewith all respect for the games you currently love so much, please don't make general statements. A personal advice i want to give: Only change to linux if you are also willing to change yourself and adapt. Linux is not Windows like, Mac OS is not Windows , like a Playstation is not a XBOX or a Switch.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago*

    i know a lot of the mp games i play have an anti-cheat that doesn't support linux, i'm blaming the AC devs here, not linux.

    as for my general statement, i used this handy little website: https://areweanticheatyet.com/

    note how i said most mp games w anti-cheat can't run on linux. i think 59% qualifies as 'most'.

    i'm rlly not sure why you're so defensive here ngl, i love linux. i use linux on one of my pcs for development, i'm not attacking linux in any way.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Sure, there are alternatives for the games I listed, but if all your friends are playing any of the games I listed, you don't have many options for Linux outside of something like Shadow or GeForce Now, which admittedly is a pretty solid option for online-only games if you live near their servers.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Not the original commenter, but for me it's Arc Raiders. I'm a fan of extraction shooters and have been messing with the idea of fully switching to Linux and ditching microslop completely, aaaaaaand then Arc Raiders was released

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    You must not play most of the top 5 fps games then lol.

    Literally everything a "normal" gamer plays is not supported on linux.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Normal gamers don't just play FPS lol

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yeahh they do. 90% of kids with a ps5 wanna play bf6 and pubg etc type games. And if a normie even thinks of gamer they think of fortnite bf and cod.

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  • [+] -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Obviously how? Who is a "normal" gamer?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    @ClydapusGotwald @1984Can you give some more inside of what you game and specially why ?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Not the original commenter, but my current ones are, EAs WRC it doesn't work on Linux and the clubs feature is used by a couple of communities and is a great way to have current rallies.

    Raceroom is not great on Linux, very crashy. But it can work at least.

    I am also deep into Le Mans Ultimate, which just added EAC, and Devs have said they will not support linux. Currently it still works, but I am expecting that to end sometime soon.

    For my hobby there isn't really alternatives, iRacing doesn't work, AC Rally is just too early and doesn't have anything outside of leaderboards (and that doesn't even have friend filtering). In terms of Sim racing there isn't much that works really well on Linux and can't exactly get the same experience in other games, like a 24hr race with driver swaps, ranked racing with multi class.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    @OrgunDonor thanks for the answer. i remember there was a scene for sim racing at one point, but i am completly out of this one. Maybe @gamingonlinux has some ideas about racing.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    There are certainly options, but they are older or just not fully fleshed out for sim racing, Hardware has gotten pretty well supported now. And games like Le Mans Ultimate had their on proton fork to get it working. But If you want big races you are very limited software wise, you kinda only really have iRacing or LMU. And They both devs have been unsupportive of linux, although LMU does still currently work.

    In terms of sims that do work, Automobilista 2, Raceroom, Assetto Corsa, AC Rally, AC Evo, AC Competizione, BeamNG.Drive, Dirt Rally 2.0 and i think Live for Speed.

    There are options that are fun, but AC Evo is rough, AC Rally is great but you can tell it is Early Access. And honestly nothing on that list ticks the same boxes as iRacing or LMU for racing.

    Outside of that though, I could absolutely switch away from windows. Nothing else I play or am looking forward to getting to play will have issues running

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I run rfactor 2 on Linux. Might be an option for a more causal sim racer. It's funny because I know other racing sims are more popular but my local VR racing sim location mainly runs rfactor 2 as well.

    It runs on Linux, not sure if VR works with Linux though. I suspect the Steam frame may change that

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    To hell with Microslop.

    People need to have some dignity. When an OS becomes an ant-privacy ad serving platform first and foremost, it's time to ditch it!

    My newest computer came with Windows 11. I ran it for a few weeks and wiped it and installed Bazzite Linux. I have had virtually no issues and honestly it's been a fantastic experience.

    I do have an older laptop running Win 10 for a handful of programs that I haven't figured out how to get to work under Linux yet, but it's just a matter of time.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    What softwares? Sometimes there are good alternatives for them.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I have a desktop and 2 laptops running Linux and a microslop surface running win10. The surface has one job, run Pioneer Rekordbox so I can analyse tracks for my DJ decks. I can get Rekordbox running on bottles, but no usb pass-through means I can't format and populate the usb to stick in the decks. Tried in a VM and WinBoat, but it refuses to run on a VM.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    I just moved my main PC to CachyOS like two weeks ago. It's been quite nice so far actually. Minor hiccup when trying to play The Guild 2 (had to use Protontricks to download DirectPlay)

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    I installed Mint on my main computer yesterday. ^_^ Super done with Windows! Now I just have to convince my husband to let me install it on his computer, too. 🤔

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Good thing I am no longer on it. Going forward if I ever get a new laptop I am going to setup linux mint (or another distro) on it right away, thus activating it without it. Being connected to the internet in the first place.

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    Btw for anonymity it is critical. While it will never make it anonymous, they want you to connect to the internet for your activation so they can register your device and the ID you used to sign up for it.

    By bypassing all that they won't immediately know who owned it through whatever machine IDs computers have on them.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    By bypassing all that they won’t immediately know who owned it through whatever machine IDs computers have on them.

    There's probably enough redundancy in such possibilities to track you not to care about this particular thing technically .

    It's just an insult to the user and they are assholes, dealing with assholes is a bad sign similar to black cats crossing your path. Don't deal with assholes.

    No need to explain this technically, you might think it's better, but you are implicitly supporting the idea that without hard proof it's fine that they are doing all those weird things. It's not, you don't have to prove anything. They are assholes, don't deal with them, don't keep taking insults. Simple.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    That's why I said 'they won't immediately know' I never said they will never know or never have that information. The way how the system works today is that the best thing that can be done is try to be noise in the system than anonymous.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Who was calling MS in the first place?! If you want it activated with a local account, do the OBE\\bypassnro thing. Who would this really affect?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I don’t think I called Microsoft to activate windows since 2012 at the latest to activate a copy of XP SP3. I’d be surprised if they got 100 calls the last decade to activate a copy of windows legitimately. Their amount of airgapped or remote systems that run windows that can’t be activated over the internet has to be miniscule

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I've done this at some point. Didnt look up the source, but this might affect other ms sw as well, namely older office. If activated lets say within 90 days twice for a certain cd key, you were easier to call the number to get the windows activated (legally).

    Yeah I use linux myself so dont give a fuck all, but I've offered support for small companies which can be affected.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Such a fucking PITA, as a small IT shop, I don't want to have to full on fucking go enterprise to keep my users from needing to make Microsoft accounts.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Been using Mint since last April. Haven't missed a thing.

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