“They will hunt you, they are like a cross between a lentil and a velociraptor,”
Well, that's a horrifying image.
“They will hunt you, they are like a cross between a lentil and a velociraptor,”
Well, that's a horrifying image.
One of my friends got hit with this. They will have a violent allergic reaction even if they eat fries cooked in beef fat.
The syndrome is not caused by a pathogen but spurs an allergy to a sugar molecule found in mammals and an array of other things, from toothpaste to medical equipment.
Lone star ticks are aggressive and can speedily follow a human target if they detect them. “They will hunt you, they are like a cross between a lentil and a velociraptor,” said Sharon Pitcairn Forsyth, a conservationist who lives in the Washington DC area.
A particular horror is the prospect of brushing up against vegetation containing a massed ball of juvenile lone star ticks, know as a “tick bomb”, that can deliver thousands of tick bites. “They are so tiny you can’t see them but you have to take it seriously or you’ll never get them off you,” said Forsyth, who now carries around a lint roller to remove such clusters.
Well, the upside is less meat consumption is good for the environment I guess.
My wife would be fucked unless this take out some preexisting allergies she has (quinoa, buckwheat, hazelnuts, peanuts, eggs and many legumes including soybeans although she doesn't react to soy lecithin)
I think you can still eat chicken if you have that
I have a soy allergy too and don't react to lecithin. My understanding is that by the time the soy is processed into lecithin, the "thing" you're allergic to is pretty much non-existent and that's why you don't react to it.
This isn't the case for all people who are allergic to soy. This is not medical advice.
My dog is alergic to a crazy amount of things and eats hydrolyzed food which apparently changes the proteins enough to not react to it.
Thirding this. I develop a rash even after coming into contact with something that had soybean oil on it, but lecithin is safe (for me).
My ex ran a very successful barbecue joint in Seattle and Arkansas. She got this and ended up shuttering her business.
I live in Arkansas and got my first lone star tick this year, thankfully I noticed right as it was biting me. 7 ticks in one month, mostly deer. Insane.
Shit, I live in Seattle and love Arkansas barbecue
Good. Running a meat restaurant is a monstrous act. No kind person would operate a corpse parlour stuffed with the carcasses of slaves, for people to consume in exchange for money. The disease is forcing her to be a better person.
comparing slaves to animals is gross
Well let's ask Jewish holocaust survivor, Isaac Bashevis Singer, what he thinks.
What do they know-all these scholars, all these philosophers, all the leaders of the world - about such as you? They have convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other creatures were created merely to provide him with food, pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is an eternal Treblinka.
He says people who eat meat are Nazis. I think I trust the opinion of this Jewish holocaust survivor on this matter. He makes a pretty good point. Everyone who eats meat is a Nazi, from the animals' point of view. And I agree with the animals.
this smacks of a genetic fallacy
but regardless, the Holocaust was wrong, in part, precisely because it did treat humans like animals. this is not an indictment of how we treat animals.
and no animal knows what a Nazi is.
Yes, and that's the problem with slavery of humans, too. It treats humans the way humanity treats animals. And nobody should be made to endure that kind of suffering.
What makes animals unworthy of decency? Intelligence? Strength? Divine birthright of species? All distinctions drawn between human and animal which aim to excuse slavery are fascist in nature. Singer is right. The only excuses we have for eating meat are the same excuses the Nazis used for the holocaust. Humanity has not grown since 1945. They have not abandoned slavery, nor fascism. As Singer says, every meat eater is a Nazi.
Even the little Hitler Youths in schools being fed meatloaf. What society does to children to indoctrinate them into slave-eating is disgusting. Put blood on their hands, so that without an iron will, they will never be able to accept the truth of what they have done, lest they be overcome with guilt for their crimes. It reminds me of the indoctrination rituals used by criminal gangs, where you have to commit a crime to be accepted. It's no wonder all these adult Nazis can't accept that slavery is wrong.
comparing slaves, or Holocaust victims, to animals is gross and you should stop doing that
I'm afraid that no matter what you say, Isaac Bashevis Singer has already said the following:
“In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought.”
“As often as Herman had witnessed the slaughter of animals and fish, he always had the same thought: in their behaviour towards creatures, all men were Nazis. The smugness with which man could do with other species as he pleased exemplified the most extreme racist theories, the principle that might is right.”
“As long as people will shed the blood of innocent creatures there can be no peace, no liberty, no harmony between people. Slaughter and justice cannot dwell together.”
He has said that the cruelty he experienced at the hands of the Nazis is the same cruelty meat-eaters inflict upon animals. Do you not think he has that right, to interpret his own experiences? Would you descend from heaven to tell him the meaning of the violence he suffered, because you know it better than he? He doesn't think it's gross, he thinks it's true, and I trust him better than you, unless you tell me right now you were in a German concentration camp in 1945.
being in a concentration camp doesn't give him any expertise on animal cognition. nor ethics. you are certainly falling for a genetic fallacy.
It's a thinking being.
Chickens in factory farms often have to be debeaked, because the stress of being packed in close quarters with hundreds of other chickens, in a tiny cage, standing in its own shit, leads to pecking at other chickens through the bars and autocannibalism. Happy chickens don't eat themselves alive. You know what self harm means in humans. It means the same thing in chickens. That eating yourself alive is better than living in this environment.
as far as I know, chickens have never been proven to understand personal mortality. if you can point me to a cognitive-behaviorist study that shows otherwise, id be fascinated
Okay here's a peer reviewed study on chicken's intelligence, emotions, understanding, and social bonds. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10071-016-1064-4
And a quote from Melissa Caughey
As a hen nears the end of her natural life, she often goes off and finds a quiet place away from the rest of the flock. During this time, the other members of the flock visit, one by one or a couple at a time. To me, they seem sad. They “chat” through verbalizations and body language. They hang their heads low to get on eye level with the dying chicken. Their coos are quiet, soft mutterings that you have to lean into to hear — chicken whispers. They move slowly and cautiously, considerate of disrupting their flock member. Some linger, while others potter around. Some sit with the dying chicken. Some keep returning. I watched some hens try to motivate Tilly by carefully scratching in the coop’s pine shavings right in front of her, as if to say “Get up, please.”
However, once they have made their peace, they leave and do not turn back. The dying chicken passes alone. The others have returned to doing what the flock does: foraging, scratching, dust bathing, and such. Life goes on.
Still, for days after a hen dies, it is not uncommon for those who were closest to her to mourn the loss of their friend. From the safety of the coop, they call out, using the same sound that means “Where are you?” when they are free-ranging in the yard and can’t find a missing member of the flock. A grieving hen avoids interacting with the flock and sits in a corner with puffed-up feathers like a chicken that feels ill.
Some mourn only temporarily, but others never seem to recover from the loss of a flockmate. It is not uncommon for a hen that was close to the departed to suddenly pass unexpectedly, for reasons unknown. She seems to slowly lose her zest for life. Often, of course, she and the deceased hen were close in age and grew up together. I believe chickens can indeed die from broken hearts or, more specifically, from the stress and depression that follow a loss.
You're a jerk. Have some empathy. How the fuck can you hear of a living being pecking itself to death in its own shit and think "dumb bird"?
mourning is not, itself, proof of understanding of personal mortality. losing a companion doesn't indicate they know they, themselves, might die.
How the fuck can you hear of a living being pecking itself to death in its own shit and think “dumb bird”?
this characterization has no basis in anything i've said.
Don't worry. The meat industry will find a cure fast
I see the vegans are escalating their tactics.
We'll convert the bloodmouths, one way or another! The next plan is mosquitoes that make you allergic to cheese.
The condition, known as alpha-gal syndrome, has proliferated from just a few dozen known cases in 2009 to as many as 450,000 now.
Alpha-gal (galactose-alpha-1,3-galactose) is a sugar molecule found in the cells of all mammals except humans and some primates
Well, at least we can still eat each other, it seems. The rich be lookin' mighty tasty as of late...
If it were up to me, eating the rich would be considered vegan
Jokes aside does it impact the love of dairy and eggs too?
Dairy, but not eggs. Sufferers can still eat chicken and fish.
Meat allergy? Unpleasant but ironically good for the environment.
After reading the article I hope they seek out and bite Donald Trump. Wouldn't that be hilarious if this caused him a meat allergy?
He'd live way longer if he stopped eating McDonald's
McDonalds would have to admit that there's actually no real fish in a filet o fish.
Not only the environment, the overall Americans health too. Each year, 700 000 Americans are dying from heart diseases.
heart diseases
There's more than one? Is this like Second Breakfast?
Yeah, Lyme Disease can potentially cause that. It's weird they're saying "meat allergy" and not lyme disease, but lyme is pretty bad and can cause lifelong complications (post-treatment lyme disease syndrome)
Edit: guess I'm wrong
The lone star tick actually usually does not carry Lyme, you are thinking of deer ticks. This is an entirely different condition that is caused by an allergic reaction to the lone star ticks saliva which your body confuses with carbohydrates found in most mammalian meats leading to a long term meat allergy.
Maybe its Mother Nature way of making us stop consuming beef and all become vegan? I mean nature finds a way. The cattle industry is a huge contributor to climate change, so maybe this is a good thing.
Of course if this was to affect everyone, you see how quickly the government would fund a cure. Interesting novel idea...going give that a think.
So it sounds like it affects far more than just being alergic to meat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-gal_syndrome
I'm not sure I'd call that syndrome a good thing and I'm not sure I'd wish it on anyone.
It wouldnt be pushing people to veganism, considering there are plenty of animal products you could consume even if youre allergic to meat.
Also there are a lot more types of meat than beef. I eat meat often and hardly ever eat any beef
Also there are a lot more types of meat than beef.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-gal_syndrome
The alpha-gal molecule is found in all mammals except catarrhines (apes and Old World monkeys), the taxonomic branch that includes humans.
Sounds like you could still eat fish, human and chicken (and other bird) meat as usual.
Bring on the lizard meat
That why nature gave us birdflu. So take chicken off the menu as well. That just leaves apes and ourselves.
Not, entirely correct. Alpha-gal syndrome is not a meat allergy. Gelatin, Glycerin and Magnesium stearate all contain high levels of it and are found in products as diverse as makeup, candy, shampoo, vape juice, energy drinks and toothpaste. High levels of alpha-gal are found in Milk and Milk products. All mammalian meat, organ meat, lipids and derived products. You check labels for the rest of your life if you have this and you'll probably still come into contact with it out in the wild. You get Fish, Eggs and poultry. That's only guaranteed if you buy the meat on its own, free from seasoning and cross-contamination. You don't eat in a restaurant anymore, unless it's sushi.
My wife has had to follow a low FODMAP and gluten free diet for the last 6ish years. It's miserable and I wouldn't wish such a vast allergy as this on anyone. I know there are plenty of haughty taughty vegans in this thread making jest, but these kinds of allergies fucking suck and I guarantee vegans consume shit that has these compounds without even realizing, since like you said, it exists in far more than just basic meat-based foods.
As an act of revenge on the ticks, we will switch to insect protein.
There are many levels between not eating beef and going full vegan.
It's certainly the strongest argument for gaia hypothesis in decades
Oh I think that a solid theory. Maybe why we are busy killing ourselves off. Maybe Gaia knows us humans are the major problem with all the shit going on and wired us to kill ourselves off.
Add in birdflu and man we could see a new era of man kind all being vegetarian. Btw I was working on a novel that contains birdflu and found a way to incorporate this into it.
They don't refer to it as Lyme because it's a different issue. It just happens to also be spread by ticks. Lyme disease and Alpha-gal Syndrome are different things but are sometimes comorbities since both are commonly spread by ticks.
If you bothered to read the article, you'd have known this was Alpa-gal Syndrome, not Lyme.
lyme is caused by deer ticks and its a bacterial spirochetes, theres actually a whole cult against chronic lyme which is a pseudoscientific belief thats incurable.
Honestly, I feel like this is a big fuck you from mother nature, telling us that our industrial farming practices, that are contributing so heavily to climate change, are now worth fuck all. And I am very much not a vegan.
Ticks can give you fuckers shitty diseases too, so hop off your soapbox buddy.
Vegans are so damned annoying. They're worse than the ticks.
Bruh, I see more meat-eaters following and actively commenting on vegan pages and forums than vegans being annoying lol
Can confirm IRL, too. I'm not vegan, but vegetarian. Cannot tell you how many rather stupid conversations I've had (initiated by omnivores that discover I'm vegetarian, which I don't exactly advertise, but obviously there are times it comes up if you are sharing a meal at work, or with friends/relatives and so on).
That's even with me not really having any desire to proselytize or anything. It'd be one thing if I was upping the ante in response. But there is a certain kind of omnivore that seem to be deeply triggered by the existence of veg*ns. I mean, it really really seems to bother them.
One time I saw a lone star tick crawl into the headphone jack of my phone.
I tried everything I could think of to get it out, to no avail. Then I googled two things:
What eats ticks?
Guinea hen mating sounds
After fifteen seconds of guinea hen sounds, I watched the tick crawl out of my phone... and immediately disappear.
Do you have experience with ticks? You can't stomp them. They're too small and flat with hard shells and don't squish. They have to be cut in half, burned, or drowned. Some people can kill them with their fingernails, but mine are too short.
I found two of them on my body later that night and killed them with tweezers. Or fire, I don't remember which.
Also, deer ticks carry Lyme disease, not lone star ticks.
I assume they would have, if it didn't immediately disappear
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