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[+] 84 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Read something interesting earlier on Folke Bernadotte's Wiki. Where is it...

    In April 1945, Heinrich Himmler asked Bernadotte to convey a peace proposal to Prime Minister Winston Churchill and President Harry S. Truman without the knowledge of Adolf Hitler. The main point of the proposal was that Germany would surrender only to the Western Allies (the United Kingdom and the United States), but would be allowed to continue resisting the Soviet Union.

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Right after WWII, the US rehabilitated its “enemies,” Germany, Italy, and Japan, while starting the Cold War with its “ally,” the USSR. Rehabilitating Germany & Japan was important for the US’ containment strategy against the USSR.

    If we see that Germany is winning the war, we ought to help Russia; and if that Russia is winning, we ought to help Germany, and in that way let them kill as many as possible […]. — Senator and future president Harry S. Truman, 1941

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    [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I can't find anything on Walter Hallstein and Adolf Heusinger being nazis or committing war crimes. Looks like the former was an academic drafted in the army and the latter a high-ranking officer who began his career before the nazis.

    I get that Heusinger can be seen as complicit (he must have known for whom he worked and didn't quit), but what about Hallstein?

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Hallstein

    In 1935, Hallstein attempted to start a military career alongside his academic duties.[17] In 1936, he managed to integrate a voluntary military service in an artillery unit.[17] In the years between 1936 and 1939, he attended several military courses[18] and was made a reserve officer.[17]

    Hallstein was a member of several nominally Nazi professional organizations,[g][19] but he was not a member of the Nazi Party

    Not the worst nazi but the voluntary military service under the Nazis seals the deal for me. Definitely a Nazi.

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    [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Don't forget Pope Benedict was in the Hitler Youth.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    He had no choice

    Ratzinger's family, especially his father, bitterly resented the Nazis, and his father's opposition to Nazism resulted in demotions and harassment of the family.[20] Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted into the Hitler Youth – as membership was required by law for all 14-year-old German boys after March 1939[21] – but was an unenthusiastic member who refused to attend meetings, according to his brother.[22] In 1941, one of Ratzinger's cousins, a 14-year-old boy with Down syndrome, was taken away by the Nazi regime and murdered during the Aktion T4 campaign of Nazi eugenics.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Operation Osoaviakhim was a secret Soviet operation in which more than 2,500 German specialists (scientists, engineers and technicians who worked in several areas) from companies and institutions relevant to military and economic policy in the Soviet occupation zone of Germany (SBZ) and Berlin, as well as around 4,000 more family members, totalling more than 6,000 people, were taken from former Nazi Germany as war reparations to the Soviet Union. It took place in the early morning hours of October 22, 1946

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Did these people get promoted to the head of the USSR’s space program or the chief of staff of the Warsaw Pact or the UN Secretary General or the the Head of the Soviet Socialist Republic Commission?

    No, the were used for their technical knowledge and allowed to live quiet lives in obscurity, away from any political power.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    No, the were used for their technical knowledge and allowed to live quiet lives in obscurity, away from any political power.

    A blatant lie. Erich Apel joined the East German party and became head of the GDRs Economics Comission in the Politburo.

    Werner Gruner became an emeritus professor at the TU Dresden.

    Brunolf Baade joined the Socialist Unity Party in East Germany and led the jet plane industry there, after having done the same in the Soviet Union. He also was director of the Institute for Lightweight construction and the economical use of Materials and a lecturer at Dresden.

    In fact, many of the captured German scientists were only in captivity for less than a decade; afterwards the vast majority of them were allowed to return to East Germany and Austria, where most seem to have lived comfortable lives, and a number of them were politically active with high offices. They certainly did not live in obscurity, nor were they kept away from political power.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The keywords here being "as war reparations".

    Nazis were put to work for their crimes not given a new name and passport and a high paying and respected career.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago

    I like how the truth about nearly 3,000 Nazi scientists over 4, 000 Nazi regime members in their families were given nice lives in Russia after the war. I like how that little truth breaks everything you're trying to say.

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  • [+] -19 points 10 months ago (4 children)
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    Operation Osoaviakhim did the exact same thing

    Cope, no it didn't. The US gave ex Nazis leadership positions, the soviets did the pragmatic thing and only extracted useful knowledge and executed them if they refused

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    You live in a larp world where everyone who disagrees with you is a Russian government agent lmao

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    For reference, LARP means live-action role-playing. Dressup fun activities for nerds. People who are too online call each other larpers both ironically or otherwise when mocking the validity of their ideology.

    Implying someone is secretly a Russian operative for using a word you don't know is so illustrative of their point that I'm starting to think it's a bit. Great job if it is.

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  • [+] -31 points 10 months ago (31 children)
  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (19 children)

    this meme is pro soviet hardly pro putin he isn't relevant to its statement,

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    Is the USAmerican case being extrapolated?
    Similar to how the Democrats and Republicans are not relevant and Trump is USAmerica?

    Anyway, if that's the case for both, then it's pretty bad.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You are one of the most propagandized people on earth

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (10 children)

    except he is not trying to do that at all i mean it would be more accurate to say he is trying to restore the Russian empire that would be closer to accurate at least but not really that accurate either.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    He's a hyper capitalist russian nationalist trying to expand his power and strengthen his position and maybe views it not as "his" but '"russian" power and position his thoughts don't matter. That's really nothing to do with soviet ideals or aesthetics other than a general nostalgia for being relevant he purposely denies soviet ideals any chance he has.

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  • [+] -15 points 10 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    What exactly do you think occurred in Russia in 1991?

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away The cynical con the Democratic Party and the F.B.I. carried out to falsely portray Donald Trump as a puppet of the Kremlin worked, and continues to work, because it is what those who detest Trump want to believe.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    For one, that it wasn’t much money at all and had no appreciable effect. Meanwhile the US spends billions on propaganda around the world each year, so much that no other country compares. And domestically, almost all of the influence comes from US corporations and wealthy Americans.

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  • [+] -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    And domestically, almost all of the influence comes from US corporations and wealthy Americans.

    That had me stumped. We know the Russian budget for domestic media and narratives, it is not a small one, is that argument that somehow domestic government sanctioned propaganda is somehow better than a kleptocratic one?

    Domestically as in within the US. Americans aren’t being influenced by spooky foreigner actors on the other side of the world. It’s coming from inside the house.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago

    Americans aren’t being influenced by spooky foreigner actors on the other side of the world

    Literally the link you posted contradicts it

    Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters

    I feel like we're going in circles. Happy New Year!

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  • [+] -11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Sorry. I can't speak to you because .ml censors users. The only place on Lemmy that I've experienced censorship. Have fun with that.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    When did i say anything even remotely like that just that soviet denazification wasn't as thorough as some like to pretend?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Ok sorry misread your comment then

    How could the soviets been more thorough in your opinion?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    some were given a pass for convenience and even if much much less than the west "ex"-nazis still about 10% of large parts of east german goverment and people like Arno von Lenski and Kurt Nier got away with their crimes, maintained power and shielded friends because they agreed to collaborate with soviets letting this happen the wrong call .

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    and also before its read wrong im not criticizing the people they did hang but people Arno von Lenski and Kurt Nier who got away with their crimes, maintained power and shielded friends because they agreed to collaborate with soviets letting this happen the wrong call .

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    Arno von Lenski and Kurt Nier

    1. DDR was not part of the Soviet union
    2. Rehabilitation back into society should be an option
    3. Denazification was still way more thorough in the DDR than the BRD

    Edit: Thanks for the correction @Edie@lemmy.ml

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    [+] -25 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    So you're telling me the Soviets treated Nazi's like they treated their own people. Curious.

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  • [+] 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)
  • [+] -13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, your fall back defense and insult: everyone you disagree with is a "liberal". As tiresome as it is predictable. Though this is Hardly an Anarchist critique. Anyone with a basic understanding of the history and no ulterior motives could make the point: Prior to Stalin's death, life was cheap in the USSR. More "good" communists faced execution than Nazis.

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