"There are 15 million illegal aliens," Miller said adding that "if each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries"

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller said in a video that went viral on Friday that undocumented immigrants are not entitled to due process protections when being removed from the United States, arguing that providing full legal proceedings would make deportations unworkable.

"There are 15 million illegal aliens," Miller said. "If each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries. They had no due process entering the country, and they are not entitled to it when being removed."

Supreme Court precedent has long held that constitutional protections apply to noncitizens within U.S. territory. In Wong Wing v. United States (1896), the Court ruled that the Fifth Amendment's due process clause protects noncitizens from arbitrary detention or punishment.

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[–] 102 points 10 months ago (28 children)

That means they can remove anyone without due process...

They could say literally anyone didn't come in the country legally, and "due process" is where people can prove they should be here

This is the same as when people would drown women, and if died she wasn't a witch so everyone would celebrate even tho they just killed an innocent.

No regard for false positives.

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  • [+] -48 points 10 months ago (26 children)
  • [–] 46 points 10 months ago (24 children)

    ...

    Let's say ICE sees you this afternoon.

    They declare you an "illegal alien" and take you into custody before sending you to an overseas prison with no trial and no options for you to talk to anyone not in holding with you...

    How the ever loving fuck does someone prove they're actually citizen before they're shipped out of the country?

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  • [+] -24 points 10 months ago (23 children)
  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    Due process protections are still mostly in place, which is why he's still there and able to file a lawsuit. Without them, as Miller seems to be advocating, they might have simply decided his ID was fake and deported him.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago

    they might have simply decided his ID was fake and deported him.

    They're doing that now and have been doing it...

    The reason there's an article about that guy, is because they didn't just disappear him.

    The fact that it doesn't happen 100%, doesn't mean it happens 0%.

    That's basic logic

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  • [+] -23 points 10 months ago (12 children)
  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    And how does one determine whether someone entered with due process?

    Due process is a right that is either offered to all or none. There is no in-between.

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  • [+] -22 points 10 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Who checks? A judge? Krisi Noem?

    You're not getting this.

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  • [+] -6 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Who checks?

    Who makes sure the person checking doesn't have a reason to lie about the person's legal status?

    How many people are checking?

    What steps should be given if someone isn't able to provide paper work within 2 micro seconds of an ice agent looking at you?

    What about the overwhelming majority of people that took legal steps to move to the US (as in actually following due process unlike the made up lies would indicate) but something out of their control happens like Trump decides he doesn't like the country they came from

    Or they are actively on their way to getting full citizenship but ice abducts them anyway?

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago*

    My god how are people this stupid.

    This statement is coming from a man who has overseen the deportation of countless documented immigrants and even citizens. It would be incredibly naive to trust DHS to oversee this with no oversight even without that context. But with it, this is full on delusional. Seriously, how do people end up like this? I don't get it. The average grade school student could see this is a bad idea but even after having it explained multiple ways you still can't grasp basic concepts of how government works.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    ...

    No he didn't.

    Both times they eventually let him go before taking him anywhere.

    Did you even read it first, or did you read it and just not understand what's happening?

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    hey had to check and then released him

    No they didn't.

    They did check, thought it was real, and release him...

    But that's not always what happens, and still isn't "due process", which at this point I'm sure you don't know what it actually means.

    but if people that had “due process” to enter are getting “due process” when detained, then the deputy statement is not contradictory.

    What are you talking about?

    Do you legitimately think that because one person didn't get the worst possible result, no one does?

    If you heard someone drove drunk without getting a DUI, would you suddenly start telling everyone no one can get a DUI and driving drunk is safe because that one drunk didn't cause an accident?

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  • [+] -12 points 10 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    I just asked it.

    You think what you're doing is asking questions?

    You literally haven't used a single question mark once...

    You don't fucking understand any of what is happening, but you keep insisting that you know more. Even now that you're finally admitting you don't know what you're talking about, you immediately go back to insisting you're right

    Despite me and others explaining over and over again what you're not understanding.

    Just why?

    What the fuck are you trying to do here if you admit you're ignorant but refuse to listen to anyone?

    You just keep repeating far right talking points over and over again.

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  • [+] -9 points 10 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    The problem with denying due process to any group is that it can then be denied to anyone simply by claiming they're a member of that group. The implications are horrifying; the government could deport anyone it wants even if they're a citizen with ample proof that they are because the opportunity to show that proof is what the law means when it guarantees the right to due process.

    People are frustrated because you don't seem to acknowledge this problem.

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  • [–] 163 points 10 months ago* (20 children)

    You didn't have due process to be born Stephen, so you don't deserve it when we put your neck in a guillotine.

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago (19 children)

    I'd prefer slowly lowering him into a wood chipper, feet first. After we feed him a ton of adrenaline so he can't pass out.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Nah, he deserves a much more ironic punishment more suited to make him miserable.

    He deserves to be forced to afford rent on minimum wage in an inner city surrounded by the people he hates.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    How about he is forced to pick up trash alongside the highways, and the government makes very prominent, hyper-cool videos about it, just like they are making for people carted off to CECOT?

    Most days he is picking up trash by the highway, and other days he has to work in Hispanic communities doing community service like working in a soup kitchen, bussing tables? Ideally, all he hears all day long is Spanish.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Vivisection is what he deserves. Then we may actually find out what the fuck is wrong with him before he dies in terror.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    Watch Nuremberg. The doctor played my Ramek was a fucking fortune teller. Really scary shit when you read up on his research and his thoughts on Nazis, which seem to be pretty accurate nearly 100 years later.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (7 children)

    Still too fast.

    I propose keeping him alive for decades to work in horrid toiling conditions 16 hours per day, 7 days a week. Sleeping where he works. One meal per day, unpleasant.

    Diamond mines in Africa? Some repetitive manual factory labor?

    He can earn the woodchipper after 4 decades...

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Probably unpopular opinion, but torturing our current problems wont prevent our future problems.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I disagree but it's kind of a soft disagreement, as I don't really know for sure. Obviously we're all joking about the torture, and don't condone violence...

    But, we generally torture people of small crimes, or torture objectively innocent people. Think of the children in the African mines, still to this day.

    The people who are causing all our problems never or rarely get tortured. And because they have all the wealth and power, they rarely get any form of punishment. They aren't afraid of any consequences, generally.

    So if we actually did start torturing them, and showing them they're not invincible, would they change their ways?... Idk but maybe.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Punishment as a deterrent hasn't worked for the entirety of human civilization. Otherwise we would have fewer murders than other countries as we continue to be one of the few places that cling to capital punishment. There will always be monsters. I won't argue that murder isn't justified, but it also isn't a "solution" in the strictest sense. Fear is what you're talking about and it is a fickle master.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Ok fair enough, and you might be right, maybe even probably right. Idk. But I think this glosses over a point I was trying to make.

    It is the extreme wealthy and powerful who essentially have little or no consequences, yet they are causing all of our problems and hardships and suffering. They have nothing to fear. They have little or no accountability.

    "The history says it doesn't work" isn't enough for me. Are you talking about the 1400s when some peasants tortured and killed some malevolent king? I haven't seen or heard anything like this to make enough of an impact where we can say "all the malevolent leaders are being killed by their peasants, yet they continue to treat their peasants cruelly, therefore torturing them doesn't work". Most historical torture was inflicted by the leaders, on the peasants, for various reasons.

    The argument you are making, which I have heard before, is EXACTLY the belief I would want the poors to think and spread if I was at the top of the powerful elites.

    Obviously I am not condoning torture or violence.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Nope. Torture isn't a deterrent, it's a sadistic indulgence.

    If Miller ever faces people's justice, it should be with due process, and if he's found guilty, the outcome should be fast, cheap and irreversible.

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  • [–] 77 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Due process isn't something you "deserve". You are entitled to it, regardless of any circumstance. The process is due to you. It is your unalienable right.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    *according to the US constitution ?

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Been law governing statesia (then part of England) since 1354. And I quote:

    No man of what state or condition he be, shall be put out of his lands or tenements nor taken, nor disinherited, nor put to death, without he be brought to answer by due process of law.

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  • [–] 77 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    You need due process to even know if they are illegal aliens. They just want to deport people without checking.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    I'm sick of people trying to gaslight us into thinking ICE is only going after illegal immigrants and that they just want people to follow legal processes to come in. They're arresting people at courthouses, in the midst of following the legal process to immigrate

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago*

    They're also arresting Americans and then claiming afterwards that their birth certificates are fake.

    And people need to get this through their heads: If illegal immigrants have no right to due process, then NOBODY has the right to due process, because how are you going to prove you're a citizen without due process?

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    This guy basically just said he doesn't care what the constitution says, he's going to do whatever he wants anyway.

    I sure wish the idiots on the right would get riled up over literally anything besides the 2nd amendment.

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    [–] 35 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Can't stress this enough, but Stephen Miller is one of the shittiest humans alive. Has all the earmarks of an asshole young man who was shunned by all women, and he's out for his revenge. What a twat.

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago

    Yes, and you didn't have due process when you turned left without signaling, so now you don't get to go to a judge and say the cop was lying.

    It all makes so much sense now!

    Dumbass.

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Actually, a lot of them being kicked out now are being pulled from their court dates, so they are following due process.

    This scumbag should die in a jail cell.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Not to mention the ones they are simply cancelling their visas and other legal arrangements and then arresting and deporting. Steven Miller is white supremacist scum and should be tried for crimes against humanity.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    He doesn't believe in due process for anyone else, why should he get the same benefit? Stephen Miller murdered a child, and should be summarily deported from life. He didn't use due process to murder the child, so he shouldn't get due process to avoid the death penalty. No trial, just a hangin'.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Once you surrender your humanity it's very difficult to get it back. Behaving like they do, you'll become just as awful as they are. I'm not one to believe in the Democrats playing fair while the Republicans do whatever the fuck they want. I certainly think the Democrats, or any liberals that are in Congress, need to step up and use the rules that exist just as strongly as the Republicans have. But if we start ignoring the rule of law the way they are it no longer becomes relevant and we live not in a democracy but in a state of anarchic totalitarianism.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago

    I want him to be publicly executed. Ideally by due process but I'm increasingly ok with by mob

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago

    Stephen Miller is an undocumented immigrant. He now has to prove the contrary without due process.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Is this guys actually a living thing? I never get that I'm living being vibe from him, anyone checked him for puls?

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  • [–] 36 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Openly admitting to violating the civil rights of millions will come in handy for those of us who will hold you accountable.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    The rights in the Constitution apply (in the words of the Constitution) to "all persons," not "all persons that Pee Wee Goebbels approves of."

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Right. Except the criteria Mr. Nazi over there has is “…because I say they were undocumented”.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    Isn't the onus on the state to prove they are undocumented? That's the charge yea?

    So...defense lawyer to 5-A, checkmate?

    This seems like something that would be thrown out before the envelope was even opened. Like AOL floppies on the judges docket.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    You would be right, if the Republican administration actually followed rule of law. How many major court cases have they lost, yet continued doing that they were sued/charged over? I've lost count. The laws are not being Enforced, because the enforcement is the task of the Executive branch, i.e. the presidency and departments (FBI, NSA, DOD, DHS, etc). In previous administrations, the non partisan federal employees would enforce the law with either party in the Whitehouse, but with this current Republican administration and it's purge of federal workforce and replacing non-partisan positions with political appointees, as explicitly called for in Project 2025.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago

    Oh geez, using that logic, no criminal used due process to murder, rape, steal, so they can't be charged.

    Stephen Miller is truly the Chief of Staff we deserve.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    This dude just lives in his own hateful reality.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago*

    Steven Miller is a Goebbels wannabe and one of my most sincere wishes is that I live long enough to see that he's dead.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Every time I see that horrible fuck’s face I wish for horrible fates to befall him that I will not put in print.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Not how anything works.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Ah, the land of the free welcoming the tired, heartbroken and poor huddled masses yearning for that freedom?

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    Wouldn't it be nice if people like shithead steve could have their faces melt like the Nazi in Indiana Jones?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    if each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries

    Yeah, that's kind of the point. You don't deport people out of spite or because it serves your agenda.

    They had no due process entering the country, and they are not entitled to it when being removed.

    Whatever that means. I'm not a scholar in matters of law, but I guess that Miller's opinion is as valuable as single ply toilet paper.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    15 million? Got some sauce to back up that claim?

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