I agree! the key point is stability as when people’s basic needs are increasingly met they aren’t as susceptible to reactionary ideas and propaganda that their issues are due to X group.

It takes time and education to change opinions on this stuff unfortunately. Even with Castro’s public support it was still a few years before the constitution was changed because as you said the voting populace still has contradictions.

Capitalism will eventually lead to crisis tho and reactionaries will use those to strip away these rights and target these groups which is why I still think the meme is correct that the only way to get lasting rights for all people is to reject capitalism.

@harc A state being bourgeois is not the only material condition of that state. The west in the 90s saw immense growth and stability, which meant that it could afford more rights to the groups that it had previously marginalized. We're now seeing that rolled back as said stability comes crashing down.China, meanwhile, is quite new to stability, so we're only now seeing rights there increased. The USSR, one could argue, never really saw stability due to constant sanctions and external threat.

Lmao thanks

Well the point is your claims are patently false. Neither of these projects were ardently anti LGBTQ like you are claiming. Both of them had or have issues but by and large the fact of the matter is these projects were founded broadly on expanding equality for these classes of people.

Hell the Bolsheviks were fuckin pro Trans people in their fight for power.

Not to mention that there are complex geopolitical reasons for why homosexuality in particular were (incorrectly I will add) targeted for repression. For both Stalin and Mao these were tactics aimed around stifling western imperial influence on their plans to further build and free their peoples from the chains of capital. Homosexuality was viewed as trappings of Western imperialism. Let's remember at this same time in the US gay people are treated pretty fucking terribly as well we don't really have room to criticize here as much as we'd love to.

Like you have to understand these decisions in context of the historical upheavals surrounding them. Soviet Russia was under constant attack from the entire world as the worlds first functional socialist nation operating in entirely uncharted waters. Which is not to lend approval to the misgivings of the USSR but to somewhat contextualize them and see how they make some sense from a different perspective. Likewise with Mao they were working to solidify power after an intense revolution and civil war - the logic was very similar.

Obviously China has moved much more towards acceptance but there's still work to be done. LGBTQ culture just isn't expressed the same way the culture just isn't as hyper individualistic as we are used to.

And again let's take a look at the state of the US and how every rights for LGBTQ people are backsliding before we start throwing stones.