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I deployed an open-source chat system at work, just for convenience. Boss was concerned that it didn't do any logging and we couldn't tell who said what.

"You don't have any records of what we say verbally. What's the difference?"

"...Oh. Well, you're right."

He was coming from a legit concern. We didn't point fingers when someone screwed up, zero blame, but we needed to know exactly what happened so we could fix it.

I think its a mixture of lazy and inexperience.

I believe if someone in a position of authority who understands how vital E2EE is in order for the internet to work, this suggestion wouldn't even be on the table.

its a case of just kicking destroying E2EE down the road for another generation to deal with, I believe. not sure what the solution is, either

They cut costs by firing the people doing the legwork and passed the savings along to billionaires who promised sustainable models. Now they can't hire people to do real legwork anymore because, "no one wants to work anymore for their grandparents' wage in an economy and society designed to turn people into voluntary slaves and the only way to escape is to become homeless and go off the grid, but the laws are being molded to prevent anyone from escaping the system."

I'm pretty sure that's how the old adage goes.

That they can is what has changed. They didn't have sufficient information to put pressure.

They still had microphones and inquiry drugs, including those causing memory loss. So they knew plenty of what people were saying to each other.

Anyway. Everything has changed a lot, not just technology, and one can't really make a chain of causation to all this. There are plenty of feedback loops.

The rules now are "we are stronger, so we are forbidding everything we don't want". Losing leverage does that.

Until you learn of some way to hit them back, such questions are no good, because not answering them doesn't cost anything.

Ah its not so bad if you get so drunk your critical thinking skills go out the window.

I thought we were unique in this but frankly everywhere in the "western" world is talking about the same things. EU has chat control, Australia has similar efforts, USA aren't pushing for privacy at all so it's not a uniquely British problem.

Hey, did you use a secure encrypted connection to make that treasonous remark? I've got 999 on speed dial, I'm on to you, you encryption terrorist!

It's a kingdom. They have a certain old dicksucker as a king. And they, importantly, don't have any historical or current reservations about things you listed, fortified by documents.

Truly. This global push towards mass surveillance is extremely alarming.

We even had a huge reminder with V for Vendetta, but maybe that was too subtle.

The right wing fascism wave is a world trend my guy. This is just the start.

Meta happened. UK, US, all over the world there is a correlation between the adoption of Meta's products and the corrosion of basic human rights.

They aren't left. Starmer and chums undermined the left-wing leader of Labour. They're the pro-business wing of the party. New Labour folks were always dreadful for this sort of thing. Many authoritarian changes are coming from the centre, in UK, France, Denmark etc.

It all feels co-ordinated as states and their representatives squeeze down on working people.

We have been voting for greedy shits larping as conservative (Conservatives) and greedy shits larping as liberal (Labour).

Up until basically after the last election this was essentially a two-party state. However much of a shitshow Labour is, the Tories were guaranteed to be much worse.

Also, there was a mind of unspoken assumption that human rights lawyer Keir Starmer would gradually move the party back to the left once in power, instead of spending 99% of his time trying to court the small minority of far-right voters who’d never vote Labour in a million years, which is what has actually happened.

And, unless there’s electoral reform in the next 3 years it looks like the actual far-right party will win the next election, because we’ve still got a system designed for a two-party stare in what is now really a 5-party state, meaning that Reform’s current 30% polling would see them with 100% control of the country, if the voting matched the polls.

That's europe, this is just UK. Brexit didn't work out in a lot of ways they planned

I think part of this is lawmakers not understanding the gravity of what they’re suggesting. Besides, most of these apps have some sort of backdoor built-in so they can decrypt messages if required in legal proceedings. Ripping E2EE out of everything is an insane assertion to make, and would make the Internet an even more dangerous place than it already is.

Does iMessage store the keys locally and encrypt the entire message so only the recipient can decrypt it? Any idea what their handshake looks like—I’m curious if they can still see the messages or not.

You may think they're idiots who pass Reform's laws for them, but you are wrong! They also pass Conservative laws!

People ran so hard from the Tories that they didn't consider Blue Labour would be dreadful also. Right now Labour and Tories are politically in danger and Reform and the Green Party are surging. Folk are fed up of parties not representing them. They just haven't fully cottoned on that that also applies to Reform. Greens are probably the main hope right now. Membership trebled to 180k. Polling close to Labour.