1. You love giving your data away
  2. You enjoy being tracked by your operating system
  3. You’re happy when your computer tells you “no”
  4. You prefer someone else deciding what you can run
  5. You feel uncomfortable if you get to have options
  6. You’d rather battle corporate tech support
  7. You’d rather rent your software than own it
  8. You think ads belong on your desktop
  9. You love being lied to about what’s “industry standard”
  10. You like rebooting for every little update
  11. You’re uncomfortable when software is transparent
  12. You think community-made tools can’t be “professional”
  13. You want intrusive AI everywhere, whether it helps or not
  14. You think the command line is only for hackers
  15. You never really wanted your computer to be yours anyway

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[–] 7 points 10 months ago

Linux is for everyone

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    My go to answer to 'why I use Linux' is a simple 'I don't agree to microsoft's terms and conditions'.

    If a user actually reads those T&Cs, and agrees to it, all power to them (well, all power to microsoft, but they agreed to that).

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    +1. You think if something goes wrong for doing what is advertised, then you are using it wrong.

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    [–] 72 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Oh, it's just a list of pro Linux items but in reverse psychology... Kay.

    I'm already a Linux user, I was kinda curious about a listing of actual reasons Linux might not be for someone.

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Not just reverse psychology, I can't imagine anyone agreeing with most of these. It's definitely got a holier-than-thou attitude. Like who is this even written for other than people who already use Linux and just want to feel smugly superior?

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    actual reasons:

    1. want to use some specific program or game only available for another os
    2. lazy, dumb or afraid of computer stuff.
    3. can’t decide from 10,000 different distributions
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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You forgot the real actual reason: I don't care about computer stuff. My current computer does what I want and I don't care to switch.

    It is okay not to have the interest in computers. I could probably change the oil on my car but I don't care and don't want to do the work, so I don't do it (the mechanic does).

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago

    This is exactly the kind of shit that turns people off.

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  • [–] 87 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    This is just masturbation.

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  • [–] 65 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

    As a long time linux user, antagonizing people who are unsure if the switch is right for them is very clearly a poor interpersonal choice that will not result in the change we wanna see in the world, or more people adopting linux

    Fuckin seriously, we can do better than this circle jerk. As someone who cares deeply about software being kinder to people it pains me enormously how much of a dump stat interpersonal skills are for so much of the Foss community

    If the authors wanna pat themselves for linux they can do it without creating a unempathetic, condescending, preachy culture that alienates people.

    Just call the article "things we love about having switched to linux" so it finds the right audience and its fine, but this shit sucks and its exactly the kind of crap that has made so many of my friends resistant to hearing what I think is good and special about Foss software. They hear me out anyway, but I'd love for it to not be a fucking uphill battle because Foss people routinely emulate the same preachy, condescending, unempathetic interpersonal apprach that everyone bemoans about the worst vegan spaces online

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    I'm really glad it seems like my thoughts have been appreciated, I was kinda mentally preparing myself for people to be unhappy with me

    I find this kind of stuff frustrating enough I needed to edit my first version of the comment cause it was angrier, but I want people to actually hear me out and think about the culture we cultivate in the foss space. It really matters.

    There are so many issues people care about (eg. Software freedom) specifically because we want a world that is kinder to people, and then we act on that value or interest in a way that isn't kind to people. A little empathy goes a looong way

    Thank you for the kind words, I hope you have a lovely day :)

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Your points are valid, and if I saw this on a site like pcmag, medium or whatever, i would totally be on the same page. Still, how many "on the fence" people are likely to be here, on Lemmy, subscribed to a linux forum?

    I chose to take it as snarky humor for the "in crowd". Benefit: keeps my blood pressure manageable.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    My thoughts were more about the article itself than it being posted here. Being an article it could really easily be something that comes up when someone is trying to figure out whether they can make the switch and are doing their research on pros and cons

    I think personally I also just really don't enjoy snarky in-group humor, it feels like it often just fosters resentment for those outside of the ingroup. So I do kinda have a bias in general

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Im not subscribed to this forum, it appeared on the front page. Dude was right when he said linux users are the vegans of the tech world. I play video games with my friends almost every night, linux would complicate how I stay in touch with the people in my circle.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Point taken. I assure you at least some of us are not going to shame others for choosing something other than Linux. We know it's not simple to switch and get a comfortable environment.

    We're just willing to do the work for various reasons that feel important to us, and will gladly evangelize it gently.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Back on the 90s (I know, I know) the joke was that of your VCR was still blinking 12:00 Linux was probably not for you.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago

    Please, article writer, be a little more passive-aggressive.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    I enjoy the snark, but also agree it's condescending. Folks, take it as cynical humor, and don't be so harsh.

    Anyway I commented to say that #10 is creeping into at least some distributions.

    My Ubuntu sends security updates that frequently impact system libraries and thus demands (politely) a reboot.

    Gnome software does it all the time, but a regular "check for updates" will often install without demanding reboot. I suspect the update won't be in effect until reboot, though.

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    And here I was, thinking this was a well thought out article with actual, legitimate reasons why someone wouldn't want to use Linux. Instead, it's this smug, autofellating, condescending bullshit. Roland Taylor has some issues.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, #6 is accurate for me. I don't have a humiliation fetish, so I'd rather pay people to tell me what I'm doing wrong instead of braving the barrage of belittlement that comes from asking for crowdsourced support.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    And that's completely valid and fair. Different strokes for different folks, as they say. But I do have to stress that I'm not so much criticising the bullet points as I am the general tone of the article. #6 should read like your reply, but instead it feels like the reader should feel bad for not wanting support from humans as opposed to an automated system.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Oh, I understand. I was trying to snarkily imply that the smug, autofellating, condescending attitude you mentioned was unfortunately endemic, to the point where it's starting to feel like some people are secretly jorking it while telling newbs they suck. I think it's a huge reason why people feel like FOSS isn't for them.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This article likely came from a very sad and self-righteous place

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    I just wish there was an OS that was bloated to heck and back, and tried to shoehorn AI into weird places.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago
    1. You own an AMD GPU and want to use your fancy HDMI 2.1 monitor / TV
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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    Oh shit! That's what we were missing all along! That's what has, all this time, been keeping adoption down and preventing the year of the linux desktop! A condescending prick talking down to people! We should have figured this out a long time ago! Thanks OP for setting us straight! Now our numbers are sure to skyrocket!

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    This is exactly the kind of shit that keeps people from switching to Linux y'all know that right?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Most of these are not about the Linux kernel, but about distro / personal choice. Android tracks you and doesn't make you use the command-line a lot. Fedora / Ubuntu (and others?) like to reboot for every little update.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    ItsFoss is getting shittier by the day

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    10: But honestly, with an immutable distro you are not that far off 😀

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I've been running Fedora for a few weeks and if I update it every time there's updates available, I'd be rebooting nearly daily, because it insists on rebooting for "system packages", where debian and even Arch based distros did not require restarts for most things.. I'm not even using an immutable version of Fedora

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago
    1. You start making weird passive aggressive lists to shame people into your preferred.....whatever...
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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    "Well if you don't buy this car you are a moron who can't see how much better this car is. So keep driving that piece of shit car you dumbass. So, have I sold you on this car?"

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    If you have a job or are student you'll know that using Linux usually results in a direct increase in corporate tech support battles.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    Sorry but AI is coming to Linux too so fear the 13^th^ 🤣

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    #3 is what does it for me. There are few things more enraging than something I own refusing to do what I'm instructing it to do.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Cool and all but stop the rebooting hate

    1. I just installed some random drivers, I guess without rebooting. Windows is intransparent af, but I think this was the case.
    2. Reboots are very important and should be done with updates. Atomic systems make sense!
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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    You’re happy when your computer tells you “no”

    This also an affliction of the GNOMEs.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Here's a few more.

    1. You want to use multiple monitors without messing around.

    2. You don't want to run an emulator for your games.

    3. You like being able to share software with people.

    4. You need corporate software for work or your own business.

    5. You're looking for a computer that 'just works'.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    The monitor thing is very dependent on distro, I didn't really have any issues at all with Linux mint or nobara

    As others have said wine/proton is not an emulator and some games run even better on Linux, that being said a lot of AAA games have DRM that prevent you from running them on Linux, that would be your real argument there

    Don't like being able to share software? A ton of software on Linux is FOSS and available on windows, not all of it of course, but you could say the same about Mac

    Depending on the corporation and software, you can use Linux, but yes, most places are windows shops, so that is difficult

    But yeah,a computer that just "works" I concede most distros will not get you there. Nobara is definitely a bit unstable but I can deal with it because I was in IT for 6 years. Although immutable distros are close, but they definitely still take some knowhow to use, and have their limitations

    Edit: misread part of the comment

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    I don't understand the first two.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The first one is because at least on Mint, on the machine I have, multiple monitors just don't work, and I've been told it's not just me, it's X11. The second is the need for Wine or Bottles (or whatever Valve has done).

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago*

    Wine literally stands for "WINE Is Not an Emulator".

    That said, Proton is pretty transparent, you can just install any game off Steam right now and it'll work 9 times out of 10 without you noticing that you're using wine. I often can't tell if I'm using proton or not and get surprised when I go into the game files for one reason or another expecting proton and am surprised to find a native Linux build. There has even been at least one time I've switched from a native Linux build to Proton because it ran better, and it was just one toggle.

    Why the resistance to wine? Did you have an issue while using it, or is it the principle of using a compatibility layer?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    16: I've had more headaches getting multiple monitors to work in Windows than I ever have in Linux. Try connecting 2 monitors of wildly different resolutions in Windows and witness the abject failure of windows to handle that elegantly. Your mouse can slip off into a "void" where no monitor exists, and yet your content can just disappear to, dragging the mouse between monitors slips the cursor way off and to the right, screenshots are a mess, etc. etc.

    17: I only play games in Linux and I never use emulators... unless it's for things like SNES.

    18: I don't know what you're getting at with this one. Software is way more shareable in Linux. You just say "it's in your package manager" or "install this Flatpak". Windows and Mac on the other hand have half-assed app stores and a culture of "just go to ${URL} and click "download, ok, ok, ok" which inevitably leads to stuff breaking and no discernible way to determine what failed 'cause your machine is full of rando installations.

    19: This is fair, though most high-profile stuff like CrowdStrike works for Linux now.

    20: I cannot begin to tell you how much Windows and Mac don't work. Like, at all. Just today I spent an hour on a call with another developer stuck in Windows trying to get a JDBC driver to work. The constant ambiguous error messages, useless documentation directing you to "just go to ${RANDOM_SITE} and install some-cryptically-named-executable.msi that craps out with error messages about missing runtimes... the whole operating system is hot garbage and that's before you factor in the missing keyboard shortcuts, flaky monitor support, creeping AI, and ads shooting into your eyeballs. The only way Windows "Just Works™" is if you redefine "works" entirely.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    For #18, here's how my sneakernet software sharing goes: Windows: I copy the installer exe, or a zipped version of the software as installed to a flash drive. The person can then run the software from the drive, or copy it to their own PC. No Internet required, no outside connection called for.

    Linux: after determining that they have the right distro type for the software, I have to walk them through either getting it from a GUI repository client, apt, pacman, flatpak, snap, or whatever other cockamamie thing it's on. They have to install it from the central authority - which is not sharing the software. It's suggesting that someone else connect to the Internet and download a thing.

    If it requires the Internet to for a typical user to share software on media, your operating system is hostile to freedom.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    If you want to share software like that, just use AppImage. It's perfect for sneakernet software sharing: no internet access required, and it requires less technical knowledge from end users than telling them to use a package manager. Just copy the file and run it.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    The penguin drawing kinda looks AI.

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