Mozilla is in a tricky position. It contains both a nonprofit organization dedicated to making the internet a better place for everyone, and a for-profit arm dedicated to, you know, making money. In the best of times, these things feed each other: The company makes great products that advance its goals for the web, and the nonprofit gets to both advocate for a better web and show people what it looks like. But these are not the best of times. Mozilla has spent the last couple of years implementing layoffs and restructuring, attempting to explain how it can fight for privacy and openness when Google pays most of its bills, while trying to find its place in an increasingly frothy AI landscape.

Fun times to be the new Mozilla CEO, right? But when I put all that to Anthony Enzor-DeMeo, the company’s just-announced chief executive, he swears he sees opportunity in all the upheaval. “I think what’s actually needed now is a technology company that people can trust,” Enzor-DeMeo says. “What I’ve seen with AI is an erosion of trust.”

Mozilla is not going to train its own giant LLM anytime soon. But there’s still an AI Mode coming to Firefox next year, which Enzor-DeMeo says will offer users their choice of model and product, all in a browser they can understand and from a company they can trust. “We’re not incentivized to push one model or the other,” he says. “So we’re going to try to go to market with multiple models.”

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[–] 111 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Man, I so wish mozilla was a worker owned cooperative. These string of useless CEOs would have already been shown the door

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  • [–] 99 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Is "must make the dumbest fucking decision possible at all times" in the Mozilla CEO job description or something?

    I have no CEO experience, but I'll make stupid fucking decisions for a fifth of the salary you're paying the current guy.

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  • [–] 118 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This is such a fantastic way to put it. I fuckin love the internet, people have amazing ways to say things lol

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago

    There are two things that the Internet has taught me: the incredible creativity people have about absolutely everything and the unimaginable levels of stupidity that people have about absolutely everything. Sometimes one of those things only exist because of the other, and that's hard to process.

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  • [–] 74 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    “What I’ve seen with AI is an erosion of trust.”

    Mozilla is not going to train its own giant LLM anytime soon. But there’s still an AI Mode coming to Firefox next year, which Enzor-DeMeo says will offer users their choice of model and product, all in a browser they can understand and from a company they can trust. “We’re not incentivized to push one model or the other,” he says. “So we’re going to try to go to market with multiple models.” Some will be open-source models available to anyone.

    This is such an out of touch non-answer here.

    People don’t oppose ai changes because they’re locked into a model. In fact most AI products I use for my job let you choose a fucking model.

    People hate them because

    A) 90% of the time they’re useless and the remaining 10 are detrimental to the product experience

    B) Ethical concerns about training off of artists and authors as well as environmental impact. EDIT: or also the general trend of trying to replace humans with AI.

    C) Not wanting to play into the fucking arms race the billionaire class are manufacturing

    D) The time they could be useful they have a risk of being either hilariously wrong or dangerously wrong. And there’s no amount of training and GPU manufacturing that’s gonna fix that.

    Absolutely none of this is addressed by the CEO. I’m sure he has to say this because of the fucking tulip crazy money is in around this but it doesn’t make it any less tone deaf or futile.

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  • [–] 206 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I feel like mozilla could switch to making all their decisions by flipping a coin and do better than they're doing in recent years

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    At least she didn't cut every interesting program in Mozilla's portfolio when every other company was laying off employees. She wasn't great, but she was operating in a bad economy.

    This new guy tho, he sounds like good news if you're the CEO of Google.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    mozilla is nothing more than an extension of GOOGLE, since they recieved most of thier funding from them. they are essentially google shills, and probably using thier AI too. i wouldnt be surprise if google tries to buy them down the line.

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    [–] 90 points 10 months ago

    "AI is untrustworthy, therefore you can use multiple AI services in our product."

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Just like I said in another post related to this, I hope this doesn't kill LibreWolf, IceCat, and Waterfox.

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  • [–] 48 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    Librewolf have put a post out a few days ago that they won’t add any AI stuff.

    https://chaos.social/@librewolf/115716906957137196

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Waterfox is on the same page. As long as the browser doesn't outright require it to functio0n, I think the privacy-focused forks will remain. Of course, it's extra work to maintain divergent code, but this is worth it, IMO.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Mozilla is completely detached from its user base. They think their average user is a Microsoft enthusiast when in reality it's a Debian enjoyer.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    They have telemetry to track the number of installations on different systems

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  • [–] 57 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I've cancelled my monthly donation to Mozilla. What's the point. Every bit of feedback I've provided is to the tune of no goddamn AI, spend my money towards keeping up with the alternatives to make sure there's always an extra player in the field. Instead it's going to some overpaid dickhead who's going to introduce AI.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Overpaid CEO has more money than actual sense.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago

    That's what all CEOs do. Double down on AI.

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  • [–] 50 points 10 months ago (19 children)

    Is there like a petition or something we can all sign to show that literally no cunt wants this?

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (18 children)

    Uninstall it and pick a different platform. These cunts think you won't and THATS why they don't give a fuck. Enough people swap and oh, hey, maybe we should rethink this mistake. If not - not your problem... You already bounced.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (17 children)

    If anyone has any suggestions for browsers hook me up, I'm running out of browsers with thier own engines to try. I don't see much point in using, say, LibreWolf if the engine is still the same as Firefox (Gecko in this case). Maybe I'll give NetSurf a try and pretend like it's 1996 again.

    edit i don't see much point because doing some about:config shenanigans is nearly the same amount of work to me as switching browsers.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    If all of the web engines enshittify, you can always curl the HTML/CSS/JS and hand-parse it. Might have suboptimal performance however.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    lol if it ever gets to that point i'm just gonna go straight Lynx.

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    That's still a fork of Firefox, isn't it? I was hoping to find a reasonably modern browser that doesn't rely on gecko or blink. I'd be okay with a WebKit browser but I don't have a Mac.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    You really don't understand what a browser engine is, do you?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    I do, in fact. I get that they are typically open-source, and I also understand how ridiculously difficult it is to create one from scratch. If LibreWolf or whoever want to make privacy focused browsers based on mozilla foundation or google's work then that's fine and I support it, but I'm personally curious if there are any mainstream browsers that don't have any (or minimal) reliance on google and mozilla foundation. Someone pointed me towards an engine in development Servo which looks quite interesting! Hopefully there will be a browser based on it soon.

    https://www.spacebar.news/servo-undercover-web-browser-engine/

    At the start of the millennium, Internet Explorer used its own Trident engine on Windows and Tasman on Mac, Opera used Presto, some embedded devices used NetFront, Netscape had Gecko, and KDE made KHTML for its Konqueror browser. Those browsers eventually faded away or adopted a competing engine to simplify development. KHTML was the basis for Safari's WebKit, which in turn became Chromium's Blink engine, and Netscape's Gecko engine became the foundation for Firefox. Opera ditched its custom Presto engine in 2013 and switched to Chromium, and Microsoft Edge made the same move in 2020.

    This is a danger to the open web in more ways than one. If there is only one functioning implementation of a standard, the implementation becomes the standard. The web becomes to Google what Java is to Oracle. It also means the limitations and security flaws in Chromium affect most other browsers, which became a topic of conversation with Google's recent Manifest V3 transition.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'm going to have to go Amish at this rate.

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  • [–] 45 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    EU here is your chance! Fully fund Mozilla on the condition that they move to an EU country

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago

    It's almost as if they are out of touch with their users. I don't get it. CEOs are just normal people like us.

    /s

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  • [–] 60 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Mozilla’s new CEO is a dumbass.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (29 children)

    Oh ya? Where u gonna go? Chrome?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah I've heard of it but is it even installable?

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    Ladybird is an open-source web browser developed by the Ladybird Browser Initiative, a nonprofit organization focused on development of the browser.[1] It is licensed under the BSD 2-Clause License.[2] An alpha release is planned in 2026,[3][4] beta release is expected in 2027, and a stable release for general public in 2028.[5] Originally a component of SerenityOS, it is now being developed as a standalone project.[6] The initiative is funded entirely through donations, with Cloudflare, FUTO, Shopify, and 37signals among its sponsors. Ladybird uses a new browser engine called LibWeb that is being created from scratch by the development team. Unlike SerenityOS, it will also use other open source libraries for development.[2] An ad blocking feature is planned.[7] Unlike most new web browsers, Ladybird does not rely on Chromium or Firefox and uses its own rendering engine and JavaScript engine.[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladybird_(web_browser)

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah that's what I'm saying. I watched some interview awhile back, but when I went to install it it was not available yet. Ok fine 2026 - will check it out

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    But don't have high expectations. It definitely will be bad. It will be only for testing with hopes that it will get good some day. For now Librewolf/ Fennec, Millvad/ Firefox Focus and Tor are good in my opinion.

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    When clicking Download

    Page not found
    Oops! We weren't able to find your Azure Front Door Service configuration. If it's a new configuration that you recently created, it might not be ready yet. You should check again in a few minutes. If the problem persists, please contact Azure support

    …yeah

    Seamonkey is barely maintained.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    So file a bug report. The link is literally right there

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The point is that it does not inspire confidence when that is the introduction... (You can also file the bug report, or I could, but you are the one championing it)

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago

    waterfox, pale moon, ironfox. there's your multiple models.

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