Other European countries, other western countries like Canada, Australia, or New Zealand
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I live pretty much in the middle of nowhere that is between three mountains and a Scandinavian fjord. I don't see any safer alternatives to where I'm already at.
Any rooms for rent?
Australia, New Zealand, and Canada would probably be a popular choices.
Europeans would (will?) flee westward, away from Russian aggression.
Even if most of Europe is party to war, there will still be a front line and limited deep strikes. You don’t just have continent wide war with no place to flee to.
If Russia starts dropping nukes then it won’t be a Europe-problem anyways….
Since people from war-torn nations often flee to Europe where they tend to get all kinds of help and support
They don't do that at all. That's a deceitful right-wing talking point meant to create xenophobic reactions.
People from war torn nations move to non-war torn parts of their own county, or their direct neighbors. Only a tiny fraction go further, and only a fraction of those go all the way to Europe.
They don’t do that at all.
One side exaggerates things and the other downplays them. Neither are being honest. This is the information landscape we live in now and then we wonder why nobody believes the same set of facts.
Fair. I guess you could read my reply as "they don't flee to Europe at all", but I intended it as "they don't flee to Europe all that often".
I guess I could have been more clear there, but in my defense, I did elaborate.
the other downplays them. Neither are being honest
"I shot my foot off"
"You have a tiny hangnail"
In reality, it's a medium sized hangnail.
"Both sides are dishonest"
Sure, pal. That's why there were so many of them in Europe. And I don't mean it in a bad way, it's pretty fucking normal to flee to a different country when there's war.
You people who need to debunk the right wing conspiracies so much that you create your own are a pretty wild breed.
I am not interested in a political discussion nor in the overly-common mud-slinging that desperately attempts to label everyone either a hateful nazi or a moronic lefty. I simply wonder where Europeans would flee to, if there were a war that engulfs all of Europe.
Alas, since you seem to be more interested in other discussions: Saying people don't flee from war to Europe seems highly deceitful in itself. I just looked at the statistics from Germany (which brought me to my question): By mid-2024, there were roughly 3.5 Million refugees in Germany. Over one million of them were from Ukraine. For the whole of the EU, there appear to be almost 7 million refugees from war-torn areas and a total of 13 million refugees in total (includes internally displaced people), and 1.7 million asylum applicants. Those appear to be official numbers and not right-wing talking points. I suppose in your mind, that means that people don't flee to Europe?
https://www.unhcr.org/europe/europe-figures-glance-2023 https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/zahl-gefluechtete-deutschland-100.html
There are millions of refugees in europe, correct. That just isn't nearly as many people as you think. There can be millions of refugees in europe AND most people from war torn regions can be staying in their own or very nearby countries.
No one was calling you a nazi to be clear but your reaction to the original comment is weirdly defensive
This account is only 6 days old and already you're starting in with the Xenophobic political rhetoric. That hardly seems like a coincidence. Who are you really and what got your previous account banned?
I am not interested in a political discussion nor in the overly-common mud-slinging that desperately attempts to label everyone either a hateful nazi or a moronic lefty.
Aren't you in luck then, because I did neither. Your reaction is pretty over the top though.
Also, seeing how Ukraine is already in Europe, it would take a lot of effort for them not to flee to (elsewhere in) Europe.
we will colonise the arctic and make New Skyrim
Hell nah, seasonal depression is already bad enough.
Dont worry! Climate change will fix that!
Uhhhh that's not how it works.
They flee to Switzerland aka Supereurope. After that you pray to the heavens.
Historically, Argentina and the USA.
(Random thoughts, I'm clueless about this subject, it's safer to assume I'm wrong about everything)
USA is an obvious first choice for many. I imagine other developed countries in the Americas will be hotspots too. The big question is which countries would accept mass influxes of European refugees.
I wonder if enough could flee to Africa, and bring some substantial wealth with them... Would that actually help Africa catch up to the developed world? Or would it instead just be new colonialism?
Of course Africa is huge, diverse and messy, so that's a very vague answer/question.
USA is an obvious first choice for many.
I don't really think that this is true at all.
In the past the USA might have been appealing because there was real opportunity. If you show up, and work hard, there's a good life in a stable environment for your kids and their kids. Those financial opportunities don't seem to exist anymore, and the political and social environment seems... undesirable for migrants.
Presently the USA might be desirable for people already in the Americas because you can get there, and the currency exchange is favorable.
I wouldn't want to make generalisations about Africa. There might be some locations on the continent that would be suitable, but IDK about that. You certainly wouldn't want to be wealthier than the local population, because that dynamic wouldn't continue very long.
I don't think there's a sensible answer to OP's question. I imagine that only a minority group from Europe could really require 'asylum' (like Jewish people during WWII), and the answer depends on the nature of whichever group is seeking asylum.
The USA is the exact opposite of safe. A record number of people are currently trying to leave or have left (I'm one of those)
I don't think it will help that much. There's already a lot of rich people in Africa. If anything this would bring about gentrification in a lot of the parts.
But that isn't to say it will be a completely bad thing. (The people moving to African countries, not the gentrification). Maybe some parts of the economy will be stimulated.
The question implies war in Europe. The reality is that once the enemy breaks though Poland and Czechia (and even there I wouldn't put much credence into the latter), the rest of continental Europe will fold without a war. People will not flee, but gradually adjust to the new overlords. There may be small migration of the intelligentsia, which is in danger from any oppressive regime, but that will be likely in form of orderly emigration, rather than flight.
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