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[–] 9 points 11 months ago (35 children)

As you can see from the comments, libs are way more delusional than in your meme, they aren't even admitting the three first lines.

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    …And they deleted their July 2023 account.

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    I didn't delete shit, I was banned because there weren't any counterarguments to the points I was presenting in my replies (which were also removed as well, would you look at that!). The best part is that the moderator who banned me is being kept anonymous, what a courageous bunch we got on lemmy.ml (⁠≧⁠▽⁠≦⁠) (⁠≧⁠▽⁠≦⁠)

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    Also, if you want to have a conversation please try to restrain yourself from banning your interlocutor. I know it's hard to justify an homicidal regime but at least don't make me wait 4 days to show you how wrong and stupid you are.

    If it's not me doing so someone else or life itself will do so in due time, you cannot run away from truth your whole life (⁠◠⁠‿⁠◕⁠)

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    Then tell the admins to at least show their names when banning someone from their instance. Cowards

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    You got me right on euronationalist, the rest of your comment shows how little you understood about me. But that's normal, you cannot fathom a left position which is not for a totalitarian regime based on an idea of communism which should have been terminated once the USSR fell ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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    Lmao, you are supporting the same side of people like Candace Owens, Benny Johnson and Tim Pool and you're calling me a fascist? Dude, there haven't been free elections in Russia for the last 30 years, how long will it take you to understand that the time of the proletariat are over and that Putin, Xi and Kim are three of the last fascistic tyrant left in the modern world? Do you think people from Belarus are free to express what they think about Lukashenko? What will you get if you organise a pro-lgbt rally in Moscow? How would you like trying opening an indipendent new site in China?

    Get down your cloud man, you're not fighting for everyday people, you're fighting for dictators and tyrants but you're too stubborn to even think about it

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    Yeah sure, go aay that Russia is not imperialist to a Georgian or to an Abkhazian. You could also try with anyone from the Baltic region or from Afghanistan, if you prefer.

    May I remind you that even Nazis had the word "socialist" in their party name and that taking votes without assurance of anonymity is not a good way to test what people really feel about their government? Is there any other party outside the Chinese populist party who can use the same mainstream media reserved to the party? Does china allow third indipendent nations to scrutinize their election process? Do you understand that prominent right wing figures in America (mostly fascists) are currently hoping that Russia will win against Ukraine? How can you square allm this up and still believe what you believe? You might be really high on your clouds of lies, look out because the higher you are, the hardest the fall

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    So Russia doesn't sell its oil and it's resources to the international market used by the same enterprises which are destroying the world through capitalism? Good to know!!!

    And china is not trying to produce a regime change in Hong Kong, Taiwan and the Philippines for its own good? Then I must immediately inform these countries not to worry about their neighbour!!!

    Call me when you wake up from your dreams my boy...

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    And to whom does Russia sell its oil to? To "socialist" countries alone or does it partake in the same market where "capitalist" countries buy their oil?

    The "incidents" between military Chinese vessles and commercial fishing boats from the Philippines are all random and have nothing to do with china claims on territorial waters around that area?

    People from Hong Kong who didn't want to be living as the rest of China are free to express their views or should they be jailed for having such kind of thoughts?

    Are the people from Taiwan free to choose their own future or are they forced to be reunited with mainland China?

    Lastly, do you think everyone can have his own will and desires and be free to express them or do you support the censorship of views which do not align with your political belief?

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    Ah yes, the massive protests seen in 2019 were all brought by the capitalists™️, no worker did partake with the millions people marching in the streets.

    Do you realise how unserious you sound???

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    So, in your view, a single man can sway an entire people to follow his ideals without any issue? My my, he must be a master of deception, maybe Loki himself. You're as unserious as the legal processes in dictatorships

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    And where are the rest of the people who helped this wrong insurrection against the Chinese government?? Millions of people rallying against China but they're still the good guys. Keep telling yourself that you're right and everybody else is wrong, you'll be always right

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    Why did the riots died down? Was it a decision by the people or had the Chinese state step in to crack down the manifestations by force? Have you seen the images of Chinese police attacking protestors and people?? Are you selectively blind?

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    Ah yes, the always useful "violent protestors". How convenient there's always some in all movements against China

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    And please tell me, how can you radicalise an entire people to the point where they are ready to put their lives on the line for the ideals you presented them with? Couldn't it be that these people share those same ideals while rejecting the ones being forcefully placed on themselves by what they see as a dictatorship? No, of course not, they are just all stupid and brainwashed I'm sure will be your answer. More projecting from someone who, as I already said, should have worked in a cinema

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    The worst kind of cope, as soon as you are presented with the truth of the matter, that Russia is a rogue state breaking international treaties by moving an unnecessary war to a neighbouring country, you immediately cope out by comparing fiscal sanctions placed by a completely different state not even on Russia directly to an all out war and, at the same time, you use the same reasoning presented by the USA you seem to reject to justify the atrocities of the Russian regime. Moreover, it was the USA who "broke the treaty" (I'd love to see exactly which points of the treaty were broken by imposing sanctions, as the treaty was to avoid armed conflicts and does not mention sanctions as far as I am aware), by imposing sanctions over Belarus, why isn't Put-it-in attacking the real villain of this story (in your eyes) but an innocent country and people instead?

    Your kremlin-loving justifications never make any sense as long as one can think about them for more than a second; it's astounding how wrong can a human being be on such an easy issue to understand

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    And you still haven't provided neutral evidences of what you call "ethnic cleansing" while I've provided you a report showing a steady decrease in violent deaths between 2014 and 2022 produced by the UN while Russia was still sitting in the board and confirmed the numbers cited.

    Also, how is Ukraine still capable of fighting against Russia if the majority of its people are not nazi and should be against their government according to you? Wouldn't they be fighting alongside the russian should they want to be freed from their "tyrannical" government? And yet they are still fighting almost 4 years into this war. Unbelievable how much they love tyranny in that country

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    Western sources that are bought and paid by the kremlin like Pim Tool, Benny Johnson and all those involved in the Tenet Media scandal? Thanks but I prefer official sources instead of unverified and biased blog posts.

    The war is so unpopular that russian hasn't been able to conquer no complete control on those regions still under its occupation. They are so beloved by Ukrainians that they cannot even have a stable form of government due to the lack of administrative personnel. What a support from the common population!!!

    Another thing are the eventual crimes committed during the war. Both Ukraine and Russia are doing terrible acts in this war and indipendent tribunals should be able to keep the perpetrators of such acts accountable once the war will end. But, ask yourself, had Russia not started this war would these war crimes ever been committed? The answer is no, of course, so in my eyes Russia still is the root cause for all the needles suffering both these countries are going through

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    I see a lot of articles about fascism in Ukraine but very few sources about an "ethnic cleansing" while, on thr other hand, the numbers provided with a in report show that the killing was almost halted before 2022, when Russia attacked and the deaths skyrocketed.

    I'm an Italian, I live in Italy and I can tell you most of the fascists around here either strive to serve in the military or in the police force. Yet I'd hardly define Italy a fascist state, even if we're currently ran by a fascist-adjecent government. Still our judiciary, legal and police powers remain completely unrelated and indipendent and we citizens can vote out our government every 5 years (if it lasts that long, of course).

    On the other hand, can you say the same for Russia and Belarus?

    Oh, how I love being told I am irrational from you, you should have worked in a cinema since you're so good at projecting

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    Ok dude, I hope you'll be happy once we will all be oppressed under your own kind of regime where disse terms are sent to gulags and there can be no other idea outside that imposed by the party.

    Now go support Russia with Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon and their ilk, I heard they are having troubles finding good tools like you lately

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    Again, tge one on the same side if Carlson and Bannon ia not me, it's you. Also, when china was squashing the Tibetan or the Hong Kong manifestations against their regime do you think all people in the streets were capitalist swines? Or there may have been some workers among the ones who were violently targeted by the Chinese government?

    Furthermore, is Taiwan a free country and are it's citizens free to choose their own future without inferences from the Xi regime?

    Lastly, do you think LGBT people should be allowed to live their lives as they please or should they be squashed into a black box away from society because their lifestyle does not conform to the standard idea of family?

    Looking forward to your totally not fascist opinions on these issues!!! :*

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    And yet, both Carlson and Bannon have repeatedly asked to leave Ukraine alone to be conquered by Russia, so they do support your viewpoint on this specific issue and are against mine. So who is in cohort with these figures when it comes to Ukraine?

    Are the LGBTQ rights improving also in Russia? What are exactly the improvements you can list for Chinese LGBTQ members in the past few years?

    Let's be fair and concede that the stories reported about Tibet were true, wouldn't China be an imperialist country if it invaded Tibet because it didn't accept their way of arranging their society? How come you are ok with this specific imperialist conquest but disagree with the western ones?

    Questions without answers and beliefs without logic

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    Syrange that you are on the same page of Carlson and Bannon on this very specific topic without any concern whatsoever. But you do you, if you're happy to share the same table as those two more power to you.

    I didn't ask you to list Chinese LGBTQ members, I asked you to list laws and rules brought on by the party which have improved the LGBTQ situation in China. Can you cite at least one law going in this direction or not?

    People are naturally gay, we don’t choose to be gay at higher ratios in more welcoming environments.

    But people are more open to be seen as LGBTQ in welcoming environments or do you think an LGBTQ person will be ready to accept his own sexuality in, say for example, North Korea?

    How is it not imperialist to conquer a nation and the starting to use its land for your own profit? Have you ever heard of the mining industry flourishing after the Chinese invasion? And what about the hydropower facilities built in this land? Where did all the extracted resources and the produced energy go? If they didn't go to Tibetans, as they went to china, how is this not imperialist according to your beliefs?

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    Directly cited from the report you presented:

    According to Li Minyan, a Chinese LGBT advocate and law student at Northwestern University, social pressure to marry someone of the opposite sex is overwhelming, and many LGBT individuals do so and lead a double life. Others enter into marriages of convenience where lesbians and gay men marry each other to escape this pressure. Despite this outward tolerance, a report about the situation facing LGBT people and civil society in China issued by the United Nations and the U.S. government last year flagged a host of serious problems. Chinese LGBT people lack legal protections from discrimination at work and in housing, there is no recognition accorded to same-sex couples, LGBT individuals cannot adopt children, same-sex rape is not a criminal offense and stigma and discrimination are rampant.

    Look into the situation with the RPK and then return to me to present your findings, I'm sure homosexual people are living their best lives alongside Kim.

    The "development" of Tibet has been mainly enjoyed by the Han people who flicked into the region after its conquest by China. Original Tibetans are still living in the same economical conditions as 100 years ago but in an even worse society as they are seen as "inferior" because they are not of Han origin. But this behaviour is not the behaviour of an imperialist country in your eyes, so everything is fine and don't question authorities

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    I wonder why it is so difficult to find information about any issue in the DPRK, such a paradise on earth should be more open to disclose its inner working to the world... It's very strange if someone think about it for more than 20 seconds, but this doesn't seem to be a concern of your it would seem.

    So if the Chinese bar Tibetans from speaking their language and living their lives according to their customs while also forcing their youth to attend sino-centric schools is progress, but if Ukraine ask its russian citizens ti use Ukrainian as a language when talking with the state is ethnic cleansing. Got it

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    Lmao, trusting the report coming from Russia and China about how is fairing the north Korean society is wild. Why don't they accept people from other parts of the world and why, when someone can access their state, this person is not allowed to interact with people without having policemen around? Must be because they have nothing to hide, for sure. If you're interested I've got a bridge to sell you XD

    So the forced movement of people from the Tibetan countryside to the inner cities has no bearing on their way of life, which was a nomadic one? How is integration carried out when a custom directly contradicts the mandates from the party?

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    Also, you keep talking about slaughter in Ukraine even if I already shown you that under 10 people per year were casualties of the internal war brought forward by the little green men paid by the Kremlin. You are still avoiding this fact and continue to press the button of ethnic cleansing even if there are no wires attached to it as if it were your Linus blanket. Grow up and face the facts, please

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    Wouldn't you know, the link to the supposed OCSE report in reality opens a blog page from an uncredited source which does not contain itself any reference to the report you cited. Talk about sources and facts, eh?

    Moreover, how many of the victims of this pre-war conflicts were caused by the little green men paid by the Kremlin? I guess you haven't asked yourself this question as it might clash with the alternative reality you live in to justify the russian invasion of Ukraine. Invasion that was not going to happen if we had listened to the russian who ammassed an invading force on Ukraine borders shortly before February 2022 but who then went on for weeks to reiterate that these troops and vehicles were there just for exercising and would habe never been used to invade Ukraine. There are some truth tellers among the russians, that's for sure

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Ah yes, the famous "free referendum" held under gunpoint, how could I forget?? Also, can you cite any source for the "ethnic cleansing" being perpetrated by the Ukrainian against the russians since 2014 in the Donetsk and Luhansk? Because the UN from when russia was still sitting in the council reports something completely different... https://share.google/XaamDlq40m8hEDyOG

    Cowbee replied to you and included links to some propaganda websites, while your perfectly reasonable comment was removed because, looks up rule 1, you apparently weren't "civil and nice".

    I spent the time fact-checking a few claims in that comment and one of the articles (first one I clicked on) in order to be able to confidently state what should be exceedingly obvious to all: Cowbee is intentionally spreading propaganda with lies and distortions.

    That puts all of Cowbee's commentary into question.


    I decided to look at just one of those websites, https://sarahwestall.com/yes-its-true-evidence-of-genocide-crimes-against-humanity-towards-russians-in-ukraine/, which has the following claims:

    • In 2020, Russian-language schools were eliminated (in March 2020, Vladimir Zelensky signed the law “On Full General Secondary Education”, which eliminated Russian-language schools in the country from September 2020).
    • IT'S A LIE, BECAUSE: https://ukranews.com/en/news/689826-zelenskyy-signs-secondary-education-law-with-3-ukrainian-language-learning-models-for-national / archive.org show that this was not a ban... Understandably controversial and worthy of debate, but clearly not a ban, therefore making it a lie.
    • 14/06/2020 The Ministry of Culture of Ukraine has decided on the candidacy of a new language ombudsman, proposing for this position the extremely odious Lviv activist Svyatoslav Litinsky, who “Called Russians “pig-dogs””
    • IT'S PROPAGANDA, BECAUSE: In June 2020, the Ministry of Culture considered potential candidates for the position because the first ombudsman, Tetyana Monakhova, resigned. Svyatoslav Litynskyi (Litinsky) was mentioned in media and activist circles as a possible candidate. He was never appointed. The position ultimately went to Taras Kremin (appointed July 2020), a far more moderate and mainstream figure.
    • 05/08/2020 Irina Farion said that the Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine remained “beyond the country’s historical paradigm.” “Their historical homeland is Muscovy, I really want them to be comfortable there. They must pack luggage – and go there. “They shoot us with their language”
    • IT'S PROPAGANDA, BECAUSE: Irina Farion was a fringe extremist voice, not a representative of Ukraine or its government. Her statements reflect her ideology, not state policy, and using her quotes to claim persecution of Russian speakers is deeply misleading.
    • 01/07/2021 The Verkhonva Rada adopted the law “On the indigenous peoples of Ukraine”, Russians were not included in the indigenous peoples
    • IT'S PROPAGANDA, BECAUSE: Russians are not classified as an indigenous people because they have an existing nation-state (the russian federation). This means that they are considered a national minority, the same as hungarians or romanians, and not an indigenous people. This is standard international practice.
    • In 2014, the future president of Ukraine, Zelensky, spoke to the Ukrainian military, who were carrying out a punitive operation in the Donbas. Zelensky said from the stage: “Guys, I bow to you that you are protecting us from all sorts of scum!”
    • IT'S PROPAGANDA, BECAUSE: Zelensky did say words to the effect of: "thanking soldiers for defending Ukraine and protecting civilians from armed militants." In some recordings and reports, phrases like “захищаєте нас від усякої нечисті / всякого бруду” appear. This is colloquial Ukrainian/Russian slang, roughly meaning “armed thugs,” “criminals,” or “violent militants.” Crucially: He was not referring to civilians. He was not referring to Russian speakers. He was not referring to Donbas residents as a group. He was referring to armed groups fighting Ukrainian forces in 2014.

    I encourage everyone to be vigilant against propaganda, and to avoid falling into the gish gallop trap that is commonly used. Take a short amount of quality time to pick one lie or one distortion of the truth apart, then call the poster/commenter out on it to ensure it isn't left unchallenged, then move on with your life.

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    Russians are the ones native to the Donbass region, which was added to Ukraine only a century ago. The fact that the Russian Federation exists does not mean that ethnic Russians aren’t indigenous to the Donbass region, and as such deserve special protections, and certainly not the ethnic cleansing they are subject to.

    Indigenous peoples are generally understood as populations that pre-date modern states and empires in a territory, with continuous cultural, linguistic, and social presence prior to colonization.

    ie. not indigenous. However, as a recognised minority, russian speakers are afforded protections, along with other minorities.

    Before 2014, and before the russian military sent troops and equipment to back separatist proxies, there wasn’t a war in Donbas. The loudest culture war arguments between russian and Ukrainian identity mostly played out among politicians and oligarchs who found them useful. For ordinary people in Donetsk and Luhansk, 2013 looked pretty normal: work, school, family life, sports. Life wasn’t affluent, but it was peaceful.

    What changed everything was Russia’s direct military involvement in 2014. By supplying weapons, fighters, and command support, on the basis of exaggerated or outright false claims about threats to Russian speakers, it turned what had been political tension and limited unrest into a real war. Russia's intervention, not everyday life in Donbas, is what destroyed the stability people had.

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    Yanukovych was not overthrown by force. His authority collapsed after the use of lethal force against protesters, which resulted in more than 100 deaths and triggered mass defections from the Interior Ministry, individual police units, and regional administrations. After losing effective control of the security apparatus, Yanukovych left Kyiv and then Ukraine, ceased exercising presidential powers, and failed to fulfill his constitutional duties. Ukraine's Parliament, including a large number of members from his own party of Regions, then declared him unable to govern and scheduled early elections. This reflects abandonment of office followed by parliamentary succession, not a coup.

    As for Donbas, its earlier inclusion in the Russian Empire is irrelevant under modern international law. Donbas became part of Soviet Ukraine in the 1920s for political and economic reasons, remained within the Ukrainian SSR for nearly seventy years and was recognized as part of independent Ukraine by all parties (including Russia) in 1991. Borders established at independence were legally binding and internationally guaranteed.

    Before Russia’s intervention in 2014, there was no armed conflict in Donbas and no evidence of genocide. Civilian life was normal by any reasonable standard: functioning schools, elections, media, and commerce. Claims of genocide appeared only after the conflict began and originate almost entirely from wartime propaganda sources. The simplest and most verifiable fact remains that the region was peaceful before Russian military involvement.

    Russia initiated a war on false premises and later expanded it into a full scale invasion, resulting in hundreds of thousands of casualties and economic costs measured in hundreds of billions of dollars and euros / trillions of rubles. These outcomes stem from deliberate political choices, not historical necessity or defensive obligation.

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    A few corrections. Ukraine is not run by "Banderites" or neo-nazis. Far-right parties have consistently received low-single-digit percentages of the vote for many years now (I found one small spike in the stats, but that seems like a moment-in-time protest vote, dropping off again) and they hold no real power. Zelensky was elected by a large nationwide majority, including in the east (with international observers).

    No blaming, but there's no credible evidence that Maidan was a nationalist "false flag." Multiple investigations found that responsibility was complex and disputed, and not a takeover by extremists.

    Donbas is historically multilingual (russian, ukranian, greeks, germans, jews, tartars, etc.) and not an "indigenous Russian" region, and no international body has found Ukrainian policy to be ethnic cleansing.

    Minsk violations were documented on all sides by the OSCE, including Russia and Russian-backed forces.

    Labeling modern Ukraine as "neo-Nazi" relies on WWII rhetoric, and not present-day political reality.

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    Listing articles about the existence of far-right groups does not prove that Ukraine is "run by neo-Nazis". They are two distinct claims.

    Far-right parties in Ukraine have never held power and have polled 1–3% nationally since 2014. Zelensky is Jewish, ran on an anti-nationalist platform, and defeated the nationalist vote overwhelmingly.

    Every country has radical groups. Russia has openly fascist and ultranationalist movements (e.g., Rusich, Wagner’s ideological core, Imperial Legion) that are far closer to the state than anything comparable in Ukraine.

    Azov began as a volunteer unit in 2014 and was restructured, depoliticized, and made subordinate to the National Guard, and its original political wing collapsed electorally. Its membership was always a mixed group, not an ideological army.

    There would have been no Azov, no mass mobilization, and no expanded Ukrainian military at all without Russia’s invasion. Russia did not respond to extremism ... it created the conditions for militarization.

    Bandera is a contested historical symbol and not state ideology. Modern Ukrainian law, elections and governance are civic and not ethno-nationalist.

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