cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/46890078

cross-posted from: https://rss.ponder.cat/post/216477

ICE said the Canadian was found unresponsive Monday at the Federal Detention Center in Miami and was attended to by medical staff, but was pronounced dead the same day.


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[–] 106 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Well, yeah but he probably just got here...

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ICE noted Noviello had been a lawful permanent resident of the U.S. since 1991, after entering the country through legal visa status in 1988. However, it also said he was facing removal for being convicted of drug charges “as a non-immigrant overstay.”

37 years ago

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, at that point, he was more American than Canadian. The US government should have to explain either why he wasn't granted citizenship or else why he wasn't deported. Keeping people in citizenship limbo is just diet slavery, a disposable workforce. I get that's probably the whole point and has been for a while, but I also think it's good to call it out until enough people care to make a change.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    37 Canadian Years or US Years?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Ironically enough he was arrested in Florida which is far enough away there's likely a real difference over that long of time.

    Like "real" as in there is a difference. Not that it is in anyway significant.

    I googled and apparently in the ~14 billion years we think the universe has existed, the north pole has experienced about four more days of time than the equator.

    So like 37 American years or 37.000000000000000000000001 Canadian years.

    I'm assuming American.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I really wasn’t expecting real answer but this is probably the most perfect response I’ve ever seen

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Eh, that's over the estimated life of the universe.

    Our solar system is likely a third that age.

    It was just the first example I got when googling it, and I didn't want to break it down and convert it to make it more accurate.

    Even then, pole reversal are common (speaking of, were like 100k years overdue and inexplicable shit is going on under the antarctic right now...) so even over the life of the Earth you'd have to keep teleporting to each new North Pole.

    But it's a good example of relativity.

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  • [–] 73 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    “At no time during detention is a detained illegal alien denied emergent care.”

    I guess that doesn't go for legal residents, like this guy was.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    For them, immigrants aren't humans and do not deserve humane treatment. Who tf calls a human being an "alien"??

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Canada now gets to pick one of ours. Fair is fair.

    Any one. Anyone at all. Just pick >_>

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    wonder how next snowbird migration is going to play out

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    It's already not good this year. My dad owns a condo in Florida and said a lot of the Canadians sold their condos in his complex. They just didn't want to deal with the extra immigration paperwork this administration added.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This comment pisses me off so much.

    Are you serious? Paperwork? That's what your dad thinks Canadians are concerned about?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, because that's what they have said they are concerned about. Why doubt what they say?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    BeCaUSE ThaTs wHat ThEy SaId.

    I'm sorry, but it's really this kind of willful ignorance that keeps me boycotting the US. You think maybe it's the shit for brains president not only starting a worldwide trade war including its allies and even threatening to annex us? Or the fact that half of you support the rapist? Or the fact that we have to risk being sent to El Salvadore for whatever arbitrary ewason?

    Please, think a little for God's sake. Do we really need to spell everything out???

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I believe that many people think that. I also believe those are the reasons I would avoid the US. But, these people said they didn't want to deal with the hassle and I have no reason to doubt them. If they were afraid of being deported, they could have said that. These people are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves, I don't need to put words in their mouth.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    My parents used to go down to Arizona. They sold their trailer back in 2018 (so just before Covid which was very lucky). They've done the odd trip down to the US (they sold because they wanted to go to different places) but plan to go out to Vancouver Island and other places more often now.

    Family friends with a house in Palm Desert sold their place after Trump joked about Canada being the 51st state and plan to never go back down again. At least for as long as he is president.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Cool, we’re starting to murder our neighbors. How great for us. Super swell.

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  • [–] 75 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Again, the same passive voice. The word they should use is Killed.

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  • [–] 234 points 1 year ago (29 children)

    If Iran was holding a US citizen against their will and let them die in custody, we would drop a nuke on them.

    I hope Canada takes the opportunity to punish us hard for this shit.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (24 children)
  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Iran has not confirmed that they have him in detention and this was a spy. They literally caught a US spy. Do you know what we do to people we catch spying in the US?

    This is quite literally not the same thing. The US has accidentally killed a Canadian tourist. If a part of Iran's government killed a US citizen we'd use that to launch War today.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It’s not the same thing, but he was a permanent resident for over thirty years

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    ~~That's an interesting part of the story but in this case this Canadian tourist hadn't live in the country at all. I feel like the speed at which he entered the US and then died indicates a problem with us custody and handling.

    Like I feel like it's more egregious if you lived in the country for 30 years and then you know were prosecuted as a spy but to just die from being detained is total bullshit~~

    Misread something not valid.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Do you know what we do to people we catch spying in the US?

    Yes, we put them in prison.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Someone's never heard of Gitmo Bay 🤣

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Ahmed al Halabi

    This guy was actually acquitted of the charges but was still horribly abused inside the prison: Captain James Yee

    Mohammed Hashim

    Omar Ahmed Khadr

    I mean these are just a few. This wasn't even hard to look up. Did you not expect that there would be actual spies in one of the US terrorist torture camps?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    zero for four, what else ya got?

    Ahmed al Halabi

    Accused of spying on gitmo. Was imprisoned in Florida, IIRC

    Captain James Yee

    Also accused of spying on gitmo. Imprisoned in South Carolina for a time.

    Mohammed Hashim

    Charged, imprisoned, and released within a year.

    Omar Ahmed Khadr

    not spy. Either terrorist or irregular fighter, take your pick.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    hurr durr none of these were spies. They were only accused of spying

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    ... and weren't imprisoned in Gitmo

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ugh.

    • Omar Khadr: Pled guilty to spying in Canada in 2010 was held in gitmo Bay before being transferred to Canada

    Seriously I don't know why I'm I'm even dignifying this with a response because we both know that they hold people there that they accuse of being terrorist or Spies of terrorists without any due process and so we don't know their names typically and we don't know why they're in there other than what the US government will tell us which isn't much.

    We also have multiple officials from that time admitting that the president and most the administration from that time knew that most of the people put in gitmo Bay were innocent And kept there because it was politically expedient. And that's just according to Wikipedia.

    Still it's not a far stretch to imagine that United States has imprisoned foreign spies in places like gitmo Bay without informing the public.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    was.

    I asked which spies are in gitmo. There aren't any. There hasn't been a policy of regularly putting spies in gitmo.

    We treat spies like criminals and put them in federal prison if found guilty. You act like they all got transferred from the federal system TO gitmo.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Damn that's a wild looking prison

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh look who learned a new word

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Follow the money. I guarantee a private company was involved and they probably do some kind of business in Canada. Make sure they're completely booted from the Canadian market.

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  • Ice kills foreign citizen

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    This is why, as a Canadian, I will not be going to the US any time soon.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Fascist regime kills foreign national. Fixed.

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  • Canada, nows the time to reveal your secret robot army and take revenge. You have a secret robot army, right?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I would say don't visit the USA, but he was a citizen. Crazy.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not a citizen, but he should have been. If a legal resident has been in the US for ten years, the government should either have to grant them citizenship or explain why they don't qualify and deport them. This guy was selling drugs, yeah, but he was also probably paying taxes. That's the whole point of the system as it is, exploiting immigrants for illegal labor and then blaming them when they get caught. This guy should have gotten a trial, probably some prison time, and enough rehabilitation to reenter free society.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Reading the article became a permanent citizen way back when I believe that means he file it all the correct paperwork

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Permanent resident, not a citizen. He wasn’t eligible to vote, do jury duty, or be drafted, but after all that time, those are basically the only differences.

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