The European Commission said it will “make sure” it receives money owed by Elon Musk’s X after the company was fined €120 million for failing to meet transparency rules.

The Commission on Friday said X has breached transparency and deceptive design obligations under the EU's platforms regulation, the Digital Services Act, and issued the €120 million penalty.

The decision set off a cascade of accusations of censorship from U.S. officials, Musk and his supporters, with some suggesting the company should refuse to pay the fine.

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[–] 57 points 11 months ago

Just shut down the fucking platform

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  • [–] 94 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    wow that's really going to hurt him. 🙄

    can we make fines like these a percentage of total asset value please?

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    €120M compared to his promised $700B (€600B) bonus is 0.02% or (assuming 365 days per year, 12 hours per day) is equivalent to 56 minutes of work.

    It has about the same disincentive as a $7 fine for a minimum wage worker.

    This is only considering the bonus and ignoring any income on top of that. He can afford it without even thinking.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    For the ultra wealthy it's more of a matter of pride and loss of power than the actual money. People like Musk loathe being held accountable, so even if the amount is equivalent to $7 for us, having to pay it hurts him more than it would us.

    That's not even considering that his wealth is mostly in unrealized gains from non-liquid assets so he probably can't just write a check for $120m. Having to cash in stocks to pay it would actually lower his net worth more than $120m.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I think your second point is key. Once we're talking about billions or trillions of dollars the number doesn't really represent the same currency normal people use to pay their bills or buy food, it becomes a measure of power and political influence. Fines and taxes are scary because they serve as a reality check, they need to be paid in real money, where as things like net worth and stock valuation are in big part arbitrary and vibes-based.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    isn't musk a trillionaire? i'm sure he'll feel the pain of this

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    You could take a dime from a millionaire and they would cry about it forever. It's not about the money it's about the conversion of money to power, it's a loss of power they're upset about not necessarily the actual money or what it could be used on.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    In America, €120 million could buy half of Congress.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Oddly enough, I think this would be an effective thing.

    Musk, like all bullies, just doesn't want any accountability whatsoever. Yes, the amount is trivial given his means, but as we saw in South America, he is perfectly willing to back down when a challenge is meaningful, culturally if not materially.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Yeah, the sheer insanity here is that $120M is like, losing a comparative 12¢ to him.

    Wikipedia puts the worthless cur's "worth" at ~470B.

    I'm no mathematician but...

    470,000,000,000

    −120,000,000

    =469,880,000,000

    OoOOOoo way to go. You go make sure he pays that huuuge fine. I'm sure he'll lose sleep over this one!

    Fine him 12% of his net worth and THAT would at least be an actual penalty.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    They're not fining Musk. They're fining X/Twitter.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Right, just like Florida Senator Rick Scott didn't get wealthy committing the largest Medicaire fraud in history, after pleading the 5th over 185 times in his trial. The blame was the company that he owned, and was the CEO. The company paid a massive fine, but he kept his stolen government money, and went on to run for Governor of Florida, where he continued his campaign of stealing from the government, doubling his net worth, and is now a Florida Senator, where he was recently caught on video railing against talk of abolishing insider trading for Senators, whining that "Democrats want to keep people from earning money!"

    No, you penis with ears, making a living is fine, but you are using a method that would put any of the rest of us in prison for years, and that happens all the time. We just expect YOU to live by the same laws as US.

    He HATES it when people post these reminders of how his entire fortune is build on taking money from the government, as he rails against Career Politicians, and runs on term limits, which he never introduces once he's on office.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    He's a trillionaire if the failing Tesla hits specific, and probably impossible targets. More likely, Tesla is bankrupt in two years.

    But that doesn't stop the PR department from cranking out their propaganda that he's already a Trillionaire.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Guy is a trillionaire. Who cares about 120 million :|

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Is this like when the local library hounds me for late return fees? It feels financially comparable when you slap such a small amount on it .

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Add three more zeroes to the fine. The neo-Nazi loser can afford it.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    That doesn't fill me with amazing confidence.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    it would really be something if the app lost all its EU users

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Make him serve one day in prison for every Euro.

    Oh, yeah, and confiscate his entire fortune.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Yes. Seriously. And if x wants to operate in the EU then it has to follow EU law.

    Consumer protection still exists and what x is doing with it's 'verified' badges is just straight up deception. The only thing it verifies is that that account has paid x money.

    Second, relating to transparency in advertising. Hybrid warfare is a major threat to the stability of Europe's society, institutions and democracy. A major vector for that is propaganda carried out through Facebook and X. Both through fake users and adverts.

    The EU should very much take this seriously and I'm glad that they are.

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