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[–] 122 points 11 months ago (20 children)

.ml is the official one created by the lemmy guys, who are tankies, and that instance has a lot of tankie opinions and bad takes.

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  • [–] 83 points 11 months ago (19 children)

    Tankies traditionally but more recently pro-Russian imperial fascists, ruZi if you will.

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (17 children)
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    I'd like to fully agree, but modern Russia is not even close to the old school soviet which they idolize.

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  • [–] 49 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    Also true, which makes their modern Russia apologia that much more baffling. Well, not really, as any US adversary is good in their eyes.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Is Russia even a US adversary anymore?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You seem to think that having Trump on your side makes you pro America, but I strongly disagree.

    Putin didn't campaign for his pet Trump to be president in offer to strengthen and enrich the USA!

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You seem to think that having Trump on your side makes you pro America, but I strongly disagree.

    In terms of population I don't think having Trump on your side makes you pro America, but "adversary" is a geopolitical term.

    On the stage of geopolitics, the current US government acts in favor of Russia.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

    It's only baffling if you don't listen to the actual reasons people believe things and just assume it's because Russia used to be socialist, regardless of how many people say otherwise.

    Liberals will refuse to listen to our explanations of our positions and then call our positions bizarre and indecipherable. Because you get your understanding of our positions from stories you make up and pass around about us that have no basis in reality.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    I know I shouldn't bite, and it'll all end in tears, but this bait is too tempting!

    if you don’t listen to the actual reasons people believe things and just assume it’s because Russia used to be socialist

    What, specifically is good about specifically Russia as it is nowadays, from a leftist perspective, that isn't because it used to be socialist?!

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

    I never said tankies support Russia because it used to be (allegedly) socialist, I'm saying it's wild you promote it as AES when it fucking isn't.

    And I've heard the apologia for the Ukraine invasion, and it's all bullshit.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I’m saying it’s wild you promote it as AES when it fucking isn’t.

    And I'm saying no one considers Russia to be AES, it's a strawman that libs tell each other about us until they forget they made it up.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Actually you're right, I misspoke. The comment said that modern Russia isn't anywhere near USSR ideals, to which I said makes it even more baffling that tankies support it.

    So yes, it's not AES, which makes it obvious that tankies supporting Russia are anti-us campists and not anti imperialists.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    By that logic, you don't even need to know my stance on Russia, because the fact that I opposed the war in Afghanistan "proves I'm not anti-imperialist." The Taliban definitely isn't socialist either, after all.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Not a single person says the Russian Federation is socialism. You're confusing people critically supporting its movements against the US Empire with people believing it to be socialist. They do have rising socialist sympathies among the populace, but that doesn't make them socialist.

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  • [–] 164 points 11 months ago* (27 children)

    The admins over there have some profoundly questionable views, which tends to push away reasonable people and attract bootlickers.

    The problem is not the users as much as the site itself and its admins. I wish reasonable people (not bootlickers) would stop using lemmy.ml and go somewhere better. Lemmy.ml's biggest function right now is to scare away good people who would have been happy elsewhere.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Learned about this today, was mainly on lemmy.ml because lemmy.world was blocking too much instances -_- Now trying piefed.social

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    The thing that is funny about Piefed vs. Lemmy is the level of authoritarian control the admin has over what you see and whether votes count or not. Specifically, they can open each instance connected with them and add a vote weight to the instance. So if they didn't like ML, instead of blocking the instance, you can set the weight to 0, and then those users would have no idea that their votes do not contribute to a rank at all. You can take an individual user and set their account to ban comments, ban posts, or both, which effectively shadow bans a user. If they're remote, the comments, or posts never arrive at the piefed instance. None of this is visible to the end user, by the way, no alerts that this is happening to your account. You can be kicked from a community by moderators, an action that you will not even know is happening to you.

    It leaves you to wonder how much of what you're seeing is an accurate tally of votes and score. It seems driven purely to keep out opposing perspectives and stifle thought. None of these "tanky" instances have this level of user and content manipulation at their disposal. The Admin of a piefed instance can shape the feed silently, and without users even knowing it is happening, through the use of vote weights. Which is a pretty nasty feature if I'm being honest. One of the things people assumed was happening on Reddit was that the feed wasn't an honest representation of user activity, that the feed itself was ideologically bias (one way or the other), and yet piefed explicitly gives you those tools.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago*

    The thing that is funny about Piefed vs. Lemmy is the level of authoritarian control the admin has over what you see and whether votes count or not. Specifically, they can open each instance connected with them and add a vote weight to the instance. So if they didn’t like ML, instead of blocking the instance, you can set the weight to 0, and then those users would have no idea that their votes do not contribute to a rank at all.

    Are any Piefed instances doing any of this right now?

    You can take an individual user and set their account to ban comments, ban posts, or both, which effectively shadow bans a user. If they’re remote, the comments, or posts never arrive at the piefed instance. None of this is visible to the end user, by the way, no alerts that this is happening to your account.

    I'm not aware of this. In any case, the ban functions on Piefed are undergoing changes right now anyway.

    You can be kicked from a community by moderators, an action that you will not even know is happening to you.

    When you say "moderators" do you mean admins here or community moderators?

    The Admin of a piefed instance can shape the feed silently, and without users even knowing it is happening, through the use of vote weights. Which is a pretty nasty feature if I’m being honest. One of the things people assumed was happening on Reddit was that the feed wasn’t an honest representation of user activity, that the feed itself was ideologically bias (one way or the other), and yet piefed explicitly gives you those tools.

    I can see a valid use-case for smaller instances that might want to elevate their own communities within their own local feeds. I think it would be pretty poor if any larger instance used this tool, but I am sure that all of these toggles can display publicly - so users on an instance would know if their experience is being gamed or curated by the admins of a local instance.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, it's not that people don't like the lemmy.ml users, or even really their mods...

    It's (at least one of) the admins.

    If they see something they don't like on their server, they delete it and give a very very short ban. Because they don't want those people gone. They want them enraged and chomping at the bit to come back.

    It's ran like a troll instance, and it's not alone.

    The only time they permanently ban someone, is when they see someone in a neutral place they can't control talking about it. Advocate for people blocking them, and they don't want anyone signed up to their instance seeing your comments

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  • [–] [S] 33 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Having an ideological focus for an entire instance feels like a major mistake. I can understand one admin having that take, but not the whole team. Thanks for the heads up.

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  • [–] 72 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    I think instances with ideological underpinnings is fine, and maybe inevitable. The crucial thing is that they need to be honest about it, so that those not interested can go elsewhere.

    The problem with lemmy.ml is that it pretends to be a catch-all instance when it's in fact very much not, and that it doesn't tell users up front what it's all about. Both Hexbear and Lemmygrad are better in that respect—at least they're honest.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Part of the sign up process I went through was to copy a line from something Marx wrote (can't remember now I'm a bad communist) to be approved for an account.

    Maybe it wasn't like that in the past but it was made clear in the sign up processs that the admins are ML communists and run their instance with those beliefs informing their moderation decisions.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It is true though, users should be able to pick up on that the instance that makes copying communist theory a part of the sign up process might have communists.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    ...except its not really communist, like north korea's no way a proper communist country (not that there's any that even existed); just some shitty dictatorship

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    What is a "proper communist country?" The people on Lemmy.ml by and large agree with what the broad majoroty of practicing communist parties believe, including groups like the Black Panther Party.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    The admins over there have some profoundly questionable views, which tends to push away reasonable people and attract bootlickers.

    Such as?

    Lots of fairly wild accusations being made throughout this thread that I'd love to read up on to avoid the "just trust me bro" axiom.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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  • [+] -12 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Why would you make this comment? Did you think it added to the discussion?

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Because you asked:

    The admins over there have some profoundly questionable views, which tends to push away reasonable people and attract bootlickers.

    Such as?

    Generally answering a question tends to add to a discussion, yes.

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