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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

Chickens roosting.

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  • [+] 147 points 1 year ago (11 children)
  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    Who just so happen to wholeheartedly support the Republican agenda in the US, with the exception of Gates.

    You don’t make billions by supporting fair wages, labor unions, health and safety regulations, affordable and accessible healthcare, social programs, socialized infrastructure, and higher taxes on the wealthy.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Billionaires bankroll both parties, what are you talking about

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes but somehow those are way less agressive at taking away your rights and even try to make the world moderately better. It's the difference between the guys hacking holes in the boat and the ones not fixing the holes fast enough. Sure, both are letting the boat sink, but there does seem a serious difference.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    To be fair, there are plenty of billionaires backing the dems too, they're just a bit more subtle about their intentions, but they are not pioneers of the working class.

    Of course the dems getting in in 2024 mightve slowed the roll of fascism, but it would've just delayed it rather than solved any of the underlying issues. With the exception of some truly progressive members of the party, the dems are basically just there to uphold the status quo.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think you misunderstood the meme lol.

    The meme is saying capitalists support both sides (dems and gop) so they come out on top over the working class

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Ohhh I thought you were accusing me of being a capitalist because you misinterpreted me as playing the "both sides" argument (this is why i was confused, but i do see people saying this kind of shit online).

    I see it now, carry on!

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Most of the billionaires that back the republicans also back the democrats, and the democrats also have their fair share of billionaires funding/controlling their candidates all their own. It is a uni-party system that puts on a kabuki show of 'right vs left' for their entertainment. Stop buying tickets for it!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes exactly!!

    I understand the frustration around those saying the parties are the same, I really do, because in the short term, the chaos of the Trump administration would not be happening if Kamala were to get in, but I'm personally extremely frustrated by people putting the dems/kamala on a pedestal as if they were going to do anything to actually help people.

    It's an oligarchy through and through. Kamala wouldve prevented a lot of the mass deportation, but she wouldn't have prevented the wars across the world, and she would've done very little to close the wealth gap between rich and poor.

    The only thing that'll cause real change is for the working class to finally realize that the billionaires are our real enemy and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not just Republicans, conservatives in general. All Republicans are conservative, but many Democrats are as well. That needs to change.

    Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC. We need to continue that. Primary every last conservative. Drive them from the DNC, drive them from politics, drive them from political discourse and public life. Authoritarianism must be crushed, Constitutional rights must be restored, and common sense policies for real people must be enacted. If we can’t achieve that, then all is lost and totalitarian neofeudalism will prevail.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Not just Republicans, conservatives in general.

    You are correct! I tend to use the two interchangeably when I know that conservatives pushes out to a larger group.

    And frankly, anyone who acts like this was just another election where one side lost is only slightly higher on the totem pole than conservatives are.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC.

    Just worth saying again for the tankies that are very passionate, but seemingly not enough to vote or organize material change. As disappointing as the dems maybe they are still the home of the little progressive wing we have, and we should work into growing it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    A part of purging the dem party means not voting for conservatives if they win the primary. There is a reason the conservatives win primaries despite having less popular policies than the progressives. A conservative dem losing a general purges the party of one more conservative who got us here.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm tired of rich and/or petty people controlling us. We're better than this.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We used to be. Currently we are not better than this.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No, we really weren't. America has always been a pretty shit country to anyone who wasn't owning class. Any good that came about during the course of this country's existence was in spite of it not because of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    There was a brief time under FDR where we were doing ok. Not much of a legacy to be proud of in light of all the years we got it wrong, but it at least shows we are capable of better.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    FDR was simply concessions by the state to placate the working people from gaining class consciousness after a long period of working class uprisings. After that brief time was the rise of McCarthyism and the 2nd Red Scare to ensure that the American working class forever opposes left-wing, working class economics, setting the stage for their systemic dismantling of the few concessions we were granted by FDR.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I just want free public transit, affordable housing//rent/food/bills and some free time to actually enjoy being alive, is that too much to ask?

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics who wake up every day and consciously decide they want to destroy everything around them.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics who wake up every day and consciously decide they want to put their foot on someone else's neck so that they can feel superior, even if it means they are worse off.

    Ftfy

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics that get off so much on being told 'you owned a lib' that they vote against their own interest and inspire baseless fear of normal human needs and rights.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Im tired of the purely performative nonsense in modern democratic party as well. For the resources and votes that go their way they always find a way to deliver nothing, or actively betray us all. Supporting far rightwing genocide, pissing on progressives and progressive causes, and utterly ignoring the working class in the last ~10 elections (since Carter) are prime examples of this.

    Time to toss the traitors out the door and clean this party out.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My grandpa killed Nazis so his son could become a Nazi

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I’m tired of the future being destroyed by capitalists/christian nationalists. That’s been happening for hundreds and thousands of years, every time they gain power, no matter where or when. Republicans are relatively new to this game.

    I’m also tired of society having to relearn this lesson at great loss of life and suffering, over and over.

    We’re smarter than this, and we far outnumber them.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I'm tired of this country sucking all the fucking life out of me.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    My optimism for the future is dead at this point. Even if we miraculously have a collective pivot into sustainable practices tomorrow, this train ain't stopping in my lifetime. Maybe it'll be better for future generations, I sincerely hope it is and I'll keep doing what I can to ensure that. But my future is doomed to dealing with the mess that unchecked greed and exploitation has wreaked upon our world.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (16 children)

    Yeah, this is kind of my attitude as well, sadly. I'm a younger millennial, but I feel I've been around long enough to determine we're truly just a pot of boiling crabs dragging everyone else down to try to save ourselves.

    I think one of the hardest parts of getting older, at least for me, is watching the childlike wonder and hope for the world within yourself slowly vanish. I'll never stop fighting the good fight, but the light has definitely died in my heart. Honestly, sad as fuck.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Crabs don’t need to boil to hold each other down, they’re just assholes.

    Like humans.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    True! I was conflating a bucket of crabs and boiling frogs. I guess we're both though, so it's pretty fitting.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Hope is a toxic ideaology. It does nothing but destroy us, like a cheap steak in hydrofluoric acid.

    It stays our hand, and slows our response.

    Hope needs to die.

    and be replaced by an unbridled, mindless, blackout rage.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Let me introduce sociopath theory.

    Their lack of morals allows them to rapidly accumulate money and power. Once entrenched, they continue amass wealth and power far beyond what is healthy for functioning societies. People don’t check this accumulation because individually they are moral humans who it pains in the extreme to seriously injure another human on their own (Luigi is an extreme exception driven by unbearable pain). But, when it gets bad enough, the poor, the losers in the sociopath race, normally isolated, begin to bond together to protect themselves from predation. This bonding together decreases the individual emotional burden of doing violence. People mob up .. emboldened by those around them. At a certain point, it goes critical and elite heads roll far and wide.

    At that point, the sociopaths are purged and the moral can go back to some form of just governance for a decade or two until the sociopaths begin to claw it all back.

    Que the “ableist” hate mail.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I wish america was more like the french, when it came to actually rioting in the streets and burning the bitch down when shit goes against what the people want.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Progressives who refused to vote for any genocider of either party are those french.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Na, if you dont participate you willingly don't deserve to have your opinion be heard.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Well thats not your decision to make-- at the ballot box or here. So thats just like, your opinion, man. I did fill out the ballot by the way. I just left the president line empty. And I'll cheerfully do it again next time if the Dems keep supporting zionism. And again and again forever. Theres not a thing you can do about that. Cheers, pal.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Single issue voters are fucking retarded. Especially when that single issue is on the other side of the road and your lack of participation all but ensures that single issue is gonna get wiped off the map.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Well smart guy, dont support genocide next time and you might have a chance to win.

    If you want to tantrum on the floor because people wont just do whatever evil shit you say, be my guest, the floor is yours. Sing us the song of your people. We're pretty used to it by now.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    At what point did I support genocide? Your clearly one of those retarded single issue voters. Gaza wont exist much longer because of people like you. I tried to enact change to help all the people who are being genocided but short sighted people like you would rather let perfect be the enemy of any progress at all and the candidate you helped elect just cut trillions of dollars of healthcare. Take some fucking responsibility lol

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I tried to enact change to help all the people who are being genocided

    Thats a lie.

    I think we've reached the end of our conversation. I cant compete with your imagination of what thought you were doing and you cant admit reality. so we both walk away losers. Great chat.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Spoiler: It won't. The wealth gap inequality will continue to grow. Most of the world will essentially become slaves to the corporations and wealthy elites.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Just, ah, be careful of the angle you hold it at when you raise it.

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    I'm tired of both Democrats and Republicans destroying the future, and people pretending Democrats don't because they do it slightly less

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I would change Republicans to 'selfish and narrow-minded individuals'

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    Owning class.

    How much in your bank account isn't the point — it is how that money got there. It just so happens that practically nobody ever became a billionaire without the use of exploitation.

    So not just billionaires but any who make their income through exploiting their private ownership over the tools, land, and resources which make production possible that, under the capitalist system, entitles those "owners" to the excess value of labor, in the form of profits, that are generated by the working class – individuals who must sell their labor to these owners for a wage – under their employment.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Plenty of people who voted for the republicans are poor as shit. Selfishness doesn't stop downwards at being rich.

    Voting for a party just because you want others to suffer more than you do is pure selfishness too.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How about tired of the uni-party system! We need real change, politicians who care about the workers, not corporations and their oligarchs.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    tired of the future being destroyed by capitalists and zionists. sorry, i repeated myself there..

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    You can blame only Republicans which even if they disappeared wouldn't solve the issue, or you can acknowledge that both parties are corrupted by oligarchs and PACS

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    While I agree with your premise, its very disingenuous to imply a lot of issues wouldnt be solved/improved if Republicans blinked out of existence like a Thanos Snap.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Republicans blinking out of existence doesn't solve the fundamental issues of capitalism that inevitably lead people to those ideologies.

    Those systemic forces still exist, a new version of them would simply take their place when people tie their personal interests to the interests of capital.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    and shit like this is why stuff will never get fixed.

    because rather than actively embrace a solution that deals with 50% of the issue, you actively dismiss it and act like anything that doesnt deal with 100% of the problem, immediately and wholly, is a waste of time.

    Thus, instead of steady progress, we have a steady march into decline.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    killing half of the voters and politicians isn't progress. it's psychopathy. get help.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    Republicans: categorically awful on every single issue

    Democrats: Not that

    Babies: waaaah I want a competitive party that matches my opinions on every single issue

    Find me one major party in the entire world that matches your personal ideals 100%. Spoiler: it doesn’t exist, unless you happen to be a king or dictator of an authoritarian state.

    Two party systems means you have two parties with distinct ethics, and one party winning consistently means the country’s ethics will shift over time in the favor of that winning party. So keep spite voting against Democrats and see where that gets you.

    Edit: you know why the Democrats are similar to Republicans on so many issues? Because Republicans keep winning elections.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    It's not about opinion, there is scientific studies that give you evidence how the democratic interest of the vast majority is not represented, but the rich.

    There are also historical theories that explain why this neo-fascism was the inevitable outcome of neoliberal policies, because material conditions degraded. That's why it's happening everywhere, not just the US.

    The democrats shifted to the right, or away from social democratic policies since Trump not because they are winning strategies - but because they know the alternative for the voter is even worse. So policy not according to being able to win, but being able to gain and maintain power (donors, influence) and wealth.

    Policy currently has absolutely nothing to do with ideals, ethics or ideology. Those are just pretty words sold to the masses.

    You'll need drastic changes, a purge and redistribution of wealth and power and the news and social media.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Extreme leftist don't vote then wonder why a candidate doesn't try to earn their vote.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Thanks for sharing your feelings with us

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    No, your feelings don't hurt me. Unless you can provide some fact based evidence, you are simply sharing your ignorant feelings.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    Just go scroll through these forums and you can see a large amount of leftists who clearly think strategic abstention is the way. They are morons but it doesn't change what is on this website.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Are you able to differentiate between facts and feelings?
    A few idiots in a forum aren't representative of a larger group. Unless you can back that with data you are projecting your bias on a microscopic sample size.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I've seen 40 years of leftists shooting themselves in the foot by not participating. It's also been 40 years of basically no real progress left. Almost like if you make no effort you will get no results.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    These are still not facts, but your own experiences. You actually don't know the difference do you?

    I could say that in my experience leftists are more politically engaged and that everyone in my circle votes. But this is simply my experience and not representative of actual trends.

    I just don't like talking out my ass

    Edit: clarity

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Judging by my experiences the majority of leftists are pedantic assholes who do more to sabotage their interests than capital ever could this is simply my experience and not representative of actual trends. I started my second statement with "I've seen" hows does that indicate im speaking out of anything more than personal experience? You should up your reading game.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
    • We are responding to a comment which states leftists don't vote
    • You stated plainly that it was the truth
    • You backed your position with personal anecdotes, while providing no evidence to back your position.

    So no, you stated that your perception was truth. Then attempted to back it with your experiences.

    Good effort on the backpedal. I'm not sure you should be throwing stones about reading comprehension.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Do you have a mouse in your pocket? Who is "we"? I don't see any real leftist politicians in the US. We have elections. If no one votes then the candidates you want don't get elected. I know its difficult to understand for you but it's truly not that complicated. Your kind would rather keep pretending you matter while sitting on the side lines and talking shit about anyone doing anything productive at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    There are leftists trying to gain a foothold in the Democrat party, and some are succeeding (see the latest New York mayoral primary).

    Many people ignore primaries, though. You know who does vote in primaries? Older more moderate voters. So progressives tend to lose primaries, then the people who didn’t bother with the primaries complain there aren’t progressive enough candidates in the main elections, so they don’t vote.

    If you want more leftist candidates (within the FPTP system), support progressive candidates and show up to the primaries.

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I'm not even American and... Yes

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