Love to see it
3.2% is like 5 million active users if Steam overall has 156 million active users, but they're likely higher than that
Love to see it
3.2% is like 5 million active users if Steam overall has 156 million active users, but they're likely higher than that
Gaben embracing Arch has been great for Arch in general. I can't even remember the last time my Arch install crashed.
Been using Arch for daily driver, web server, large data analytics machine, gaming, music making, programming, visual design and a while lot more for 15 years now. The only time I've had an issue with something in the official repos was when freecad was compiled with a version of a library that wasn't compatible with a very specific thing I wanted to do and I had to recompile it. That's it. 15 years. One issue. Not sure that even this Gaben fellow could improve on that...
awesome!
I'm curious as to how much profit is lost by M$ or Apple for each basis point of the market that switches to Linux.
These are private computers for gaming with Steam installed. This will literally be less than pocket change to them. They likely lose more from pirated Windows and secondhand purchasers of Apple products.
The amount of money tech giants lose will not be affected for a long time. The main achievement for Linux right now would be to get a foothold, to make it known to the public, to normalise its use. The big change will come when organisations start moving to Linux (which you would think would be a priority considering the fact that it is free and more secure).
which you would think would be a priority considering the fact that it is free and more secure
And regularly used across their back end already.
Probably needs more corporate spyware which Linux users aren't likely to tolerate.
They make more on cloud servers than as operating systems nowadays.
I've read the same thing but I'll bet a dollar that no one using Linux is paying for any Microsoft cloud services.
That would essentially mean the only reason to use Linux over Windows is ideological opposition to Microsoft, which is sheer nonsense.
Some people use Linux but don’t mind about Microsoft
Ex: a lot of people in computer science
I noticed a lot of students use Linux for their studies because in CS we pretty much only use Linux, but they run Windows at home or they solely run Linux for studying so they don’t care about the rest
They would’ve stayed with Windows if it provided the same features and full compatibility
As a somewhat side fact, most of Microsoft's own cloud services are running on Linux. This fact nudges me to believe the opposite of your conclusion. That is to say, changing your OS doesn't necessarily change the software you use.
That said, I would be very surprised if Microsoft's cloud offerings were as popular among Linus users.
We are already at >7% for English-speaking Steam users. At this rate 15% isn't terribly far off.
But, even now, it's getting increasingly difficult to tell your manager "we should lower our product's sales by 7%".
Apple probably isn't seeing it as a factor. Anyone switching from MacOS to Linux on Apple hardware has purchased Apple hardware and will likely continue doing so because they're the kind of people who buy Apple products and you can't change that about a person.
Of those Windows users switching to Linux, how many of them have decided to stop using a Windows license they've had for years? Instead of upgrading to 11 for free, they're switching to Linux? Or, how many of them are rocking the Activate Windows watermark? There's probably a pittance or two lost in ad revenue, but Microsoft almost isn't a B2C company anymore.
Apple probably isn’t seeing it as a factor. Anyone switching from MacOS to Linux on Apple hardware has purchased Apple hardware and will likely continue doing so because they’re the kind of people who buy Apple products and you can’t change that about a person.
When they are ready for a new computer, are they going to spend double to buy Mac hardware when they specifically want a Linux machine? Many will say no.
We're at a point in history where an Apple computer is kind of difficult to recommend as a Linux box because they've pulled off of x86. Gaming. On Linux. On Apple Silicon. I bet you can do it, the Asashi or whatever people have done a remarkable job of reverse engineering from no published documentation at all from what I hear. But, we're several generations of Apple Silicon in, I imagine the people who have jumped ship for Linux have done so by now, leaving the blue bubble brigade to themselves.
Remember, to many people, that Apple badge on the lid of that laptop isn't just a billboard for a company you don't own, it's the badge of an in-group. There are entire states in the union where they won't let you buy food if you've got a Samsung phone. It's now government policy in Israel.
I'm surprised Bazzite isn't higher on the list, here, it really seems like the OS I hear about whenever Linux gaming comes up.
That list is just weird and only shows a few specific distros. If you go to the Linux only results you get way more info. It shows Bazzite as used by 5.53% of respondents, +1.29% from last month.
Ah, that makes way more sense. Nearly 6% of the gaming Linux market for such a new distro, and rapidly growing, sounds much more like where I would've expected Bazzite to place, based on my own experience and the tune of most recommendation threads here.
Agreed. Ive been active in a lot of Linux communities for a good while now, and I've never seen a single distro being recommended as much as Bazzite. Mint was probably the closest, but it's always had detractors due to its stable base affecting hardware support.
I switched to Bazzite based on a recommendation and it's been a fantastic OS for me (gaming and light development/home labbing) and I no longer have any desire to distro hop.
Took a bit to figure out the immutable stuff for some very niche things I needed done, but other than that ezpz
I think it was more of a fad for a short while, but there are a lot of other much more entrenched and mainstream distros
This graphic is just a bit misleading, and the more detailed results show the opposite story. Bazzite is as 5.53% of Linux users, up 1.29% from last month and one of the most used single distros, behind SteamOS, Arch, Mint, and CachyOS.
bazzite is bringing in new users, not converting old ones.
I'm on Bazzite because I use my PC at the TV with a controller these days. It's simple to use for that. That's pretty much it.
Bazzite has been one in a LONG line of Trendy Distros Of The Month. People have been trying to make CachyOS happen, Zorin has made a couple appearances, ElementaryOS and Pop!_OS traded blows for awhile, Nobara was in there, a long while ago there was Peppermint, I'm forgetting a lot of them.
Feels like youre really diminishing Bazzite's popularity here. Ive seen it regularly talked about here and in a lot of YouTube videos for around a year now. Its also currently used by 5.5% of the Steam Linux player base (you can see by filtering the results by Linux only), making it one of the most popular distros for gaming right now. Also, CachyOS is just ahead of it at 6.74%. Definitely not flavor of the month numbers imo
I honestly think for most people atomic systems should become the default, so I’m team bazzite right now.
It just feels like they need to get over decades of bad app/file hygiene to improve.
Why do you not like immutable distros?
I’m asking as a long time Mac user, just tried Linux this year, and have settled on atomic fedora and bazzite, so looking to learn not imply I know more than you or anything like that. I’m just very sold on them and the ostree idea.
See the problem is that you're a normal computer user and not one of the 3% that actually like the experience that is the traditional Linux desktop.
Somehow that does not help me know what I’m missing.
Basically, traditional Linux allows you to mess around every part of it and even completely break it if you weren't careful enough. This is really great and powerful for people that knows what they're doing, but for 99% of users, the ability to change the underlying operating system is not really necessary.
Gatekeepy bullshit.
Bazzite is great, and immutable just means some things are done slightly differently, that's all.
Immutable distros are perfectly fine for 99% of use cases and are far less likely to be broken by and end user following poorly made guides on the internet.
It gives the "it just works"Ness that a Linux gaming distro for Linux noobs needed. (So far anyway)
3% is insanely high for those of us who remember the early 2000s. I am loving this.
I like how all Arch based distros are in "quotes" by the way.
Linux use on steam has also passed mac use. The three most popular mac versions are still used by more than the 3 most popular linux versions, but the total for macs is under 3%.
And for me personally, I didn't even have to give anything of value up to make the switch. I kept my old windows machine in a running condition as a backup, but I think I'm about ready to start retiring that machine entirely, at least as a windows machine.
I feel like the number of "I switched to Linux" videos on YouTube have exploded recently, although it might just be some algorithm thing.
It's okay openSUSE Tumbleweed. I still stan for you. ;P
Now that zypper has been pulled into the modern age with parallel & faster downloading, the only complaint remaining I have for it is the installer itself
openSUSE is GOAT.
I'm a CachyOS shill, and I'd recommend Tumbleweed to anyone. It's criminal that folks use stuff like Ubuntu or Manjaro over it.
Really wanna try a perma switch from Fedora just cuz they include a nice grub theme lmao.
Plus I like that its proper rolling instead of staged releases.
Even though I think it’s generally frowned upon to use, I use GRUB Customizer from the Discover Store, and change the theme to a Fallout style one, if that would be easier for you to use!
I’ve had one or two hiccups when updating openSUSE Tumbleweed. Once was just a normal update, back then I was doing it weekly since I basically only game on my desktop, but it completely broke my graphics for whatever reason. I have an NVIDIA GPU, so I attribute it to that.
Luckily, Tumbleweed has that snapper component, and I used it for the first time. Absolutely amazing I could just run that and then be back in a working state at the shake of a lambs tail. I just started updating monthly after that, and so far, no hiccups!
I think there is a real change in people’s mind . Windows is at it worst since forever. Just this month 2 people in my inner circle just ask me how can they Make the switch and which distro should they use for their needs. Those 2 were hardcore Windows fan and gamer.
GamingOnLinux estimates >7% of English language install base for Steam is using Linux (if I'm understanding this correctly): GamingOnLinux Steam Tracker
Yeah, indeed. Steam language breakdown is about 40% English, 30% Chinese, 10% Russian, 5% Spanish, 15% other. Chinese speakers overwhelmingly use Windows rather than Linux, so choosing 'English only' basically doubles the Linux percentage.
I'd be interested to know why Linux has such bad update in Chinese-speaking regions. (It's the lingua franca for much of Asia, so not just China, just largely China.) Obviously, inertia plays a part - easier to move to Linux if you know someone else that can help you, which if there's no-one then you might be a bit stuck. Are the fonts crappy? Are the input methods greatly superior in Windows?
they do not care about many of the things that people in western societies care about. they do not care about privacy. they want to use the same type of computer their friends and coworkers are using. 11 is a higher number than 10.
unless there's a chinese linux distro that gets pre-installed at the factory, along with a government ban of windows (it could happen), they will be the last society to adopt.
I’d be interested to know why Linux has such bad update in Chinese-speaking regions.
I wonder if language in particular may be a factor hindering Linux adoption there?
I feel that there are probably significant language barriers that have an effect here, and effectively create a chicken-and-egg problem for Linux adoption, possibly limiting Linux usage to Chinese people who are relatively proficient in English.
For reference, here's an article about what proportion of Chinese people speaks English (it seems to be around 5%?): https://www.thehistoryofenglish.com/how-many-people-in-china-speak-english
That chart shows what I would interpret as really strong Linux growth. Somewhere around 200% growth in the last 4 years, and seems to be significantly accelerating.
Linux mint 21: loses a little
Linux mint 22: wins a little
my brother in christ. they just updated their pc
Love to see it!
This site won't update till tomorrow, but Steam's English Linux numbers are >2x the overall numbers (China apparently hates Linux). Going to be something like 7% for English-speaking Linux use. :)
Edit: 7.09% :)
I find it weird that China hates Linux
Harder to centralize control over the user. That's the big reason, I'd imagine.
Isn't that just the language choice? I always use english for any OS because the translations just suck in my opinion, and make it harder to find any settings or menus. I assume it might be also partly caused by the translation not being ideal?
I find it weird if the admin was pushing for anything besides Linux. Especially apple/windows. But I know nothing about china
I'm thinking language may be a big factor too, but I was thinking from a different perspective. From what I'm seeing on a brief search, only about 5% of Chinese people speak English. If you consider that much of Linux documentation is a) heavily command line based, b) spread across a multitude of websites, and c) commands would seem to be more prone to being problematic for machine translation, I think that combination would seriously slow down adoption of Linux in China and other countries with low English adoption and perhaps with non-Latin alphabets.
I would think it might have to do with the distros they have access to. All Chinese controlled and curated.
This vacation I finally decided to ditch Win for EndeavourOS, it has its quirks sometimes, but I can mostly play without issues, so refreshing to not rely on M$
I am waiting for SteamOS Desktop to be released before switching. I want the support of an 800lb corporate gorilla, that prioritizes gaming. I use mods and play niche games, so I need a Linux that balances casual users while allowing for some power user stuff.
I already know about Bazzite and Cachy, but again, I want the support of a focused giant who won't die or change hands.
I've been gaming on Arch (btw) since 2013 and only had minor issues I could resolve with a bit of googling.
Things have only gotten better over the years. Steam will just work on pretty much any distro as it has its own runtime.
I don't do just Steam. As said before, I sometimes use mods or play niche games, such as ones that require Japanese locale, Windows v3.1, GOG games, and so forth. While I am not a true power user, my needs definitely go beyond Steam alone. I had tried out Mint a year ago, Hero, Lutris, Mini Galaxy, and so forth failed to work smoothly with my games.
'won't die' ? I mean Gabe is great, but I don't think he's immortal.
I respect that. Tho do remember this is opensource instead of a traditional system.
Any improvement to steamos will improve bazzite and any improvement to bazzite will improve steamos.
I have doubts that Valve will officially support SteamOS on anything but their own hardware (and maybe some partners'), in which case unless you plan on buying a Steam Machine you're going to be stuck for a very, very long time.
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