With the Linux Vendor Firmware Service serving more than 135 million downloads for Linux users updating their system and device firmware, LVFS has been working to get more hardware vendors to contribute either engineering resources or directly contributing annual dues as sponsors. Framework Computer is now the first one to have executed an agreement under these new sponsorship efforts.

Red Hat in employing lead developer Richard Hughes has contributed the most to LVFS/Fwupd's success, the Linux Foundation has also hosted the project since it has shifted into their umbrella, AMD's Mario Limonciello is among the significant contributors, and now Framework Computer is a new sponsor to the project.

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[–] 12 points 11 months ago

That's great to hear!

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago*

    I continue to contribute in the most minor way to both, and it's very true that Hughes LARGELY runs this repo. This is becoming a problem, especially since the majority of companies do not contribute, though they use the upstream just like everyone else.

    If Amazon, Google, Dell, Hetzner, Equinox, DR, DO...etc all paid their fair share, they'd be able to pay honest contributors just simply for making what is already available MORE readily available. That's what this project is about.

    On the hardware manufacturer side: AMD, Nvidia, Intel, Realtek...etc are also not chipping in.

    This is a CRUCIAL project for larger adoption for home users. Yes, most enterprise-sized companies manage their own semver releases for firmware, but they still use these tools. They should contribute, not only because it's the right thing to do, but a miniscule amount of money for them to do so to ensure the same people making this such a success can continue to do so.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You nor this article say wtf is LVFS

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  • [–] 47 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Given the precedent with Framework: does somebody know if the maintainer of FWUpd is right-wing?

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

    What difference would that make? (I'm not familiar with the precedent, so probably missing some context)

    Edit: Downvotes? Was my question (or my ignorance) somehow offensive?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    framework, the hardware company, gave money to nazis who use open source to promote and normalize their divisive ideologies of hatred. of particular note they donated to the development of omarchy, a wildly unprofessional linux "distribution" put together by the fascist creator of ruby on rails

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    That raises more questions than it answers 😅 I appreciate the effort though.

    I run NixOS on a few servers. I remember there being some controversy around them accepting contributions (either money or code — my memory of it is a little fuzzy) from some company that's part of the military industrial complex. Is Framework worse than that?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It's to know whether it's still ethically safe to keep using FWUpd or not.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago*

    No, when the dev was a kid he pushed another kid off the swingset and I'm pretty sure it was racially motivated. Better just move into the woods and use only stone and wood tools you make yourself, just to be safe! Never know who could have done what, the people who are "good" probably just haven't been caught being bad yet.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (41 children)

    Cool, but I don't care how big Framework makes their tent. They will not see a cent from me.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago* (18 children)

    So you won't buy the most user maintainable and repairable laptop, that also comes with Linux and probably worth open source firmware in the not too distant future because you don't like the politics of the owner of an open source project the company supports?

    That really feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    I mean, when the political stance of the supported company is "I would literally murder you of I could" the politics become kinda relevant 🥲

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Is that some hyperbole? Or is there a source to that? I'm out of the loop*, so apologies for my ignorance.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Yes, it's hyperbole.

    Framework gave money or laptops to a bunch of different Linux projects and has generally been very active in the Linux community.

    One of the laptops they gave out went to DDH, who in addition to having a project that in reality is little more than an Arch script, also posts a lot of alt-right drivel online.

    Most famously him moaning about London being too full of immigrants - something made even more ironic given that he himself is an immigrant to the UK. Clearly he meant non-white immigrants.

    It's unknown how much Framework knew about his unsavoury opinions, and plenty of other projects they've supported have been very progressive, so it doesn't seem like they're choosing to support only people who align with a specific political stance.

    A lot of people are frustrated with their response to the criticism - that they're a small team that don't want to wade into the politics of each project they donate a laptop to. Which I kind of understand, but I also understand being miffed at them for sending a laptop to a super hateful person then shrugging their shoulders and saying "look, we don't want to be political or have to research the personal opinions of people in the community".

    Personally I think it's more of a fuckup and PR misstep rather than endorsing any particular world-view.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Personally I think it’s more of a fuckup and PR misstep rather than endorsing any particular world-view.

    Nah,

    If they admitted they hadn't done their research, apologised for the matter and promised to be more careful in the future, it would have blown over in a day and their community would have retained their respect for them and it would have been looked back as a brief fuckup / pr misstep.

    Instead they went into detail about how one of the two controversial parties has changed and said nothing about the other party, except to say they wanted a big tent (which is a massive "dogwhistle" for we allow the intolerant into our space and will let them be intolerant to the detriment of all others).

    When asked for clarification and given the chance to explain what they really wanted, they went silent and haven't responded since.

    That silence speaks volumes.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    So what are you buying instead?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Honestly, when my current laptop dies, I will just get a used cheap thinkpad just like anybody else or even SSD any trash-going relic. If you want some alternative, someone commented this that looked interesting: https://mntre.com/reform.html

    Although it comes with obvious limitations: https://forum.fairphone.com/t/is-the-mnt-reform-the-best-repairable-laptop-available/113321

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Unless I am mistaken Lenovo has at least all of the ethical issues of Framework if not more. What would make a used Lenovo better than a used Framework?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (6 children)

    Just get a Thinkpad or build a desktop lol. Who said anything about cutting off our noses?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It's a well-known figure of speech.

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  • [–] 43 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Purity testing everything you use means you have to get off Lemmy, if you look at the statements from some of the core devs. It is no way to live and is pretty much incompatible with being on the internet. Framework is clearly doing more good than harm, and while no company is perfect or immune from critique, feedback from customers does more than knee-jerk comments from people with no stakes.

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  • [+] 11 points 11 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Counterpoint. This line of thinking is what got me living under an ACTUAL fascist regime right now. People did purity testing with Harris on whatever issue, pick your poison (Gaza, police accountability, etc) and it moved the needle. How much will never be known, but a chunk of people spent so much time listening to talking heads and streamers that they decided to not vote for her. And now we have Trump, destabilizing the world, letting a guy with brain worms decide everyone's health. Harris would have been the best option by far even if she was not perfect, but fixing good was always a better option than rejecting not-perfect. If framework goes away, good luck getting another right-to-repair first org to build hardware. There has never been a better time to make the point "stop purity testing things, acknowledge when things are the better option, and work to make them even better." All this "us vs. them" and using language that paints anything as black or white moves the needle on people passively reading comments, and does actual harm. Living in a world without a grey area does actual harm.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I phone banked for Harris but she was making our jobs harder by taking unpopular positions. What will you have me say to the voter who won't vote for a Newsom presidency because they take AIPAC money? Because I was told to just move on and call the next person.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You tell them to plug their nose and swallow the medicine because the consequences of not choosing the better of 2 options in a 2 party system is loss of life and rights for innumerable people all over the world.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    America ended up in a fascist regime because liberals wanted cheaper eggs and became convinced only Donald Trump could make it happen.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Blaming liberals for everything is a nice, wholesome American activity. They seem to simultaneously be ineffective at anything, but also responsible for all the evil in the world

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Your analogy is bogus because this is the Fediverse and we can defederate from tankies without giving them money. The entire topic revolves around how Framework spends money. Whataboutism in this context is a classic defense of fascism, for what it's worth.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 11 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago* (7 children)

    They openly support fashtech like Hyperland and the "distro" Omarchy. In response to the well-justified backlash against this, founder Nirav Patel tried to hand wave the issue away by talking about how they want "a big tent" for open source", completely ignoring the nazi cunts behind the projects they support.

    If you want to know more details here a two articles:

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Why do you use Lemmy, given the politics of its own source creator? Bit hypocritical.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Not to speak for them but bare minimum one is supporting them monetarily, one is free

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You're not directly paying them, but by being here and contributing to the community, you're providing value to others who would then go on to donate to the devs.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 11 months ago*

    There is no "one community" in the traditional sense, in fact many of us are boycotting contributions to their actual community/instance .ml

    By contributing activity to comms on other instances and advocating growth on other instances and even advocating alternatives like PieFed, actually dilutes their influence

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  • [+] -11 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    "Retarded take"

    Your choice of words shows your true colors. You don't like it when I call out your associates for what they are?

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You really don't see it, right? This whole "Oh my god, he is a fash!" talk has to be a godsend for big tech and the corpos as a whole. Instead of cooperating - even with people who might hate your guts in another setting, and fighting THE MAN - you rather opt for infighting and purity testing. If you would think about it - just for a minute - you would discover that you have more in common with an ultra conservative, confederate flag waving redneck than with the "nice, diverse, clean and woke" corporations and organisations who are removing freedom from us all, cut by cut, slice by slice...

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago

    Who cares? I left the big tent a while ago.

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