Taking away their freedoms is the wrong approach. They need to go after the social media companies for not protecting users from harm, regardless of age. The platform needs to be the start of regulation, not the citizen.
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It is probably not going to succeed; young people are approximately the only minority whose rights can be restricted completely arbitrarily and which tends to have fewer, not more, rights over time. But still a good thing to try and I wish them the greatest success.
If this law had even a tiny bit to do with protecting children they might start considering all the perverse incentives and counterintuitive outcomes. But since it is just a surveillance measure that they are couching in "won't somebody think of the children" they do not give a fuck.
The real players pushing this are unelected members of the intelligence community who are entirely insulated from accountability so they are going to push until they get their way no matter what it costs the country or how many politicians it costs their positions and/or souls.
Reality is social media companies are publishing companies and need to held to the same standards as publishers.
Vary by country but in nutshell Laws applying to newspapers cover a range of issues, including freedom of the press, defamation, privacy, intellectual property (authors' rights), and legal requirements for advertisements and public notices.
The main issue with today’s social media is the algo that act like a chief editor pushing opinion/specific in your face. Regarding fediverse, yes. If you start to hosting/publishing, copyrighted article, illegal content , etc.related to where it is hosted you will face the law in reality. This is why each server have their specific approach to this problem depending on where they are hosted https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/ as an example
Is there a right to communication medium?
Just to be absurdly weird: Spent shell casings with writing on them seem fair to ban. Maybe? I dunno. (I’m just being cheeky)
This also reminds me of “freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach.”
Surprised to see so many people on Lemmy in favour of social media. It's horrendous for everybody, adults and children alike. I don't think kids should be on there.
Usually for things like this, I'd be fine with parents handling it and controlling their own kids' access. But social media is too pervasive, you'd turn your kid into an outcast if they didn't have it when 96% of their peers did.
I would cheer if they banned social media for everyone, but since it's targeted their enforcement mechanism is privacy invasive age verification for everyone else. They couldn't care less about children if they tried, it's all about data collection. Pure and simple.
It’s an authoritarian power grab veiled as protecting the children, an ancient play from volumes scribed in clay.
Social Media, as it’s currently implemented, is an overwhelmingly negative to everyone, but banning it for anyone is a wilfully ignorant and lazy action.
The legitimate platforms have been gifted an abdication of responsibility to make their platforms safer, and the illegitimate ones have gained a greater potential audience.
The adult action would be to require the platforms prove they’re prioritising safety above profit, with embarrassingly transparent audit visibility; but this is the antithesis of how government and corporate entities are structured, and such measures are denigrated and dismissed.
What I find fascinating about this whole thing is the almost universal simping that has occurred in defence of these large websites like Facebook, Twitter (X), Reddit etc. I find it amusing that people who would decry using these large websites suddenly need to defend them.
It's pretty depressing to see how many people have been ignoring the genuine harm that can occur using social media. During recent filings in the US, Meta hid and defunded research that showed a causal relationship with mental health and social media usage in under 13's along a myriad of other issues identified.
These new restrictions aren't perfect and really should be reviewed in the future, however something does need to happen and asking the industry to self regulate has resulted in no meaningful changes occurring.
It's pretty depressing to see how many people in favour of this are prepared to make everyone suffer invasive demands for personal information in order to use a good portion of the internet. These laws haven't even come into force yet and they've already caused harm in the form of tens of thousands of leaked IDs, to say nothing of the problems with further reducing anonymity of discussion in an increasingly authoritarian world.
Whats the story behind the leaked IDs?
Discord implemented age verification due to us and the UK moving towards such laws, a third party involved in this was breached and ~70k users had information leaked (though presumably not all of these included IDs). Approx 68k of these users turned out to be Australian.
I don't know about you, but in every circle I'm in the concern is just the abysmal implementation that not only doesn't address the actual problems but kind of makes them worse, and it'd be really easy to write a better policy that properly addresses that without any ID being involved.
Good on em, parents should be regulating internet access and not the govt
Social media is not the internet.
Social media is a privatized mass-spying and manipulation tool that directly and intentionally destroys the mental health of its users.
Are you aware of Labor's 2009 plan to censor the entire Australian internet? It didn't succeed back then thankfully.
There is no way that they will stop at just the big social media platforms.
This is about control and further removal of being anonymous.
It's not even a liberal vs labor thing. They both have a history of bipartisan support for this type of bullshit. See: metadata retention, assistance and access, identify and disrupt laws.
In late December you'll need photo ID to search google so it kinda is about the internet
Please don't spread misinformation.
Under 16's can still access websites like YouTube and Google but will not be able to interact (i.e liking videos) and comment on content. They will still be able to view videos and publicly shared content.
On the 27th of December a separate set of restrictions kick in
https://ia.acs.org.au/article/2025/australians-to-face-age-checks-from-search-engines.html
And yet in your own article it can be quoted:
"Search engines will not be required to implement age assurance measures for users who are not logged in to their services, according to the new rules."
So I fail to see how you will be unable to use Google.
You will eventually want to access a page or service and will be asked to upload an id and or scan your face to make sure it matches. I for one do not want to have to submit my private information in order to use the internet.
Google cracks the shits if you use a vpn, you think they will accept users logging out en masse?
A few things. Firstly, I don't know how VPN usage has come into this discussion as I haven't made mention of VPN usage. Secondly, I've just not had the same experience. I use a VPN for all my devices and have never had a single issue using Google and it's services both with and without an account so it could be an issue on your end.
Yes but parents aren't doing that so..........
Should they?
Does that include single parents? Overworked parents? Parents who don’t understand/use the internet? Do you believe that all children follow their parents’ rules when they step out of the door of their houses?
Make an actual argument for young children having social media access.
Govt could extremely easily release a product for parents, with or without NBN involvement, that helps control internet for kids. They don't and instead impact everyone with this bullshit
Those are not acceptable reasons for poor parenting. Don't move the goal posts.
You didn’t answer any of my questions.
The very children who are at risk are the ones with the type of families I listed, and other at risk types. If you leave it up to the parents, you’re essentially giving up on kids with “bad” parents.
I’ll ask a different way: if you’re a child and you have parents who don’t understand the issue, or are too busy and/or stressed out to monitor the issue, or if you have friends who provide you with access…do you deserve to be out at risk/fall through the cracks?
If you actually want to solve problems…you work together as a society…you raise children as a village. If you want all the problems associated with social media use and other issues you “leave it to the parents”, which is basically giving up.
Parents who neglect their children have their children removed. There are no excuses for bad parenting, there are plenty of resources to understand what "the internet" is. Seriously?
This is not a real argument. I've presented alternatives and you've ignored them. You raise strawmen and move goal posts. There are non police state alternatives. You're arguing in bad faith and I will not engage with you further
have parents who don’t understand the issue, or are too busy and/or stressed out to monitor the issue, or if you have friends who provide you with access...
The other commenter isn't making strawman arguments, they made quite clear the complex situations in which a parent may not be in a position to monitor or control their childs use.
Parents who neglect their children have their children removed
This is a strawman. It fails to imagine neglect of varied levels. It fails to acknowledge that child removal is the last resort after sustained and/or heavy neglect.
The alternative, you presented one that i see, is a government solution imposed from on high that is liable to the same 'police state' attacks you make about this legislation, or, will go unenforced and thus be a giant waste of time and energy because all parents, especially those time poor or 'not in the know', ignore the tool.
You’re just talking past me and not engaging with what I’m saying. All I’m saying is the reality of life for some families is that a kid shouldn’t be put at risk because their single mom (for example) is too busy or doesn’t want to die on the hill of not letting their kid talk to their friends on Discord or whatever.
Taking her kid away isn’t going to help the kid…or anyone…you’re just going to create more problems.
But the paremts aren't doing shit, it's why the Governments stepping in.
They won't.
They shouldn't need to.
They will still need to under the current form of the social media ban.
It’s a blunt tool, sure…because it’s not intended to target people with the resources and wherewithal to organize a lawsuit against the government.
Problem is that the vast vast vast majority of kids under 16 see literally no upside from social media.
Have to fo old school.with SMS
Or any one of a zillion other ways like.signal or whatsapp or Telegram or whatever.
Would be more logical to just ban smart phones from teenagers. There's lots more harmful things there than just social media.
They can use dumb phones thus not violating their right to communicate.
Yes. Explain to KP Oli how messing with Gen Z's Internet has no bearing on politics, since they're not voting for years.
And Gen Alpha is pretty cooked. They're gonna forget entirely about the ban in a week, if they even notice (because the ban only applies to accounts and not many even use social media logged in).
Legally our constitution has very few rights in its texts, stuff like freedom of speech are added on top via 'implied rights' which come about due to other laws or commitments (e.g. UDHR). I do wonder what legally challenging a violation of such a nebulous concept entails, but good luck to them and fuck the bans.
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