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[–] 111 points 11 months ago (21 children)

We’ve never had better technology to build safer cars and streets, and yet here we are. Pedestrian detection and all, installed on a vehicle that’s got a front grille as tall as a person.

I saw someone watching a movie on their phone as they drove the other day, also a probable factor.

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  • [–] 43 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    I met a woman who told me that during the pandemic lock downs she made money driving to legal weed states to spend tens of thousands of dollars on weed and flip it back in her state. She also told me that it was really boring so she'd frequently get above 100 while watching a movie on her phone on her dashboard. So that's who's out on the road with you

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    Fucking.

    Wild.

    That kind of behaviour should just be an immediate and permanent revocation of the license, car towed on the spot. Fiddling with phone to get directions or dismiss a notification is one thing but actively watching entertainment?

    I have ADHD. It’s not super severe but it’s not great. I can drive 16 hrs (with appropriate breaks) without the radio. I will admit, I tend not to be super respectful of speed limits. But driving is enough stimulation for my scatterbrained self. Brain rot is a hell of a drug.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    I also have ADHD, and have also done a 16 hour drive straight through. Audiobooks or podcasts help. Music gets boring after a few hours. Audiobooks or podcasts are constantly changing, so it’s enough mental stimulation to stay engaged, while also not being too distracting.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    People like this are why safe drivers’ insurance premiums are still so high. The safe drivers are subsidizing the dangerous ones. We’re being forced to pay more because the risk of being hit by a braindead watches-movies-while-doing-100 driver has increased.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    That's the end result of car centric infrastructure. The bad drivers couldn't afford to pay the full rates they would be charged. If you kick 10-20% of the population off the road, that is a whole lot of people siddenly unable to work

    That many people suddenly stopping working would destroy the only thing Americans truly value - shareholder profits

    We have no alternatives to driving. As such the worst drivers you've ever seen will continue to drive by necessity

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    That’s absolutely wild. Before my state started selling legal weed, I would sometimes take trips to Massachusetts to buy enough to last me for months.

    The one thing I never did on those drives? Speed.

    I figured I was already technically breaking the law by carrying so much weed across non-legal states. To get pulled over for speeding could’ve led to massive trouble. Why put a target on my car (beyond already having an out-of-state license plate)?

    I went the other way - I meticulously watched for speed limit changes and set my cruise control accordingly, so it would be one fewer thing to worry about. When possible, I drove so there’d be a car some distance in front of me, but still within my view. That way, if there was a cop up ahead, I’d see the other car slow down first and it would give me a heads up.

    Adding more distractions and driving more erratically when you’re already breaking one law is a really stupid way to get caught.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    @makeshiftreaper @CompactFlax I wish I had tens of thousands of dollars

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Well she certainly didn't seem like the type to have a couple thousand in liquid cash to start her scheme. I imagine she borrowed money and then used her drug sales to pay back the loans. Or she owed a bunch of money. Obviously she was not a queen of good decisions

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    making $ from other peoples $ sounds like the smartest move there tbh. debt is only a trap if you don't know/understand it's trap, then it becomes a tool

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Alternatively, you could just not commit a pile of felonies in the first place

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    eh, weed shouldnt be criminalized at all. the fact our shitty ass federalized system allows for a bunch of dumb shit to be felonies is the problem, not...flipping weed.

    obviously still kinda dumb, smarter to just buy some seeds and get growing at that point.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    You would think in a country that leads the world in the lawsuit industry someone would have come after Telcos for not installing safety measures on phones so people can't do stupid shit while driving.

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  • [–] 74 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Vehicles are getting way too big on average, I mean the F150 is North America's best selling vehicle (*edit: I have since learned as of 2024 that spot actually belongs to the RAV4) since forever. It's a problem of misaligned incentives.

    There's an exception carved out for large vehicles in the EPA guidelines that hold them to less stringent emissions standards which incentivizes building larger vehicles 1

    Large cars are also incentivized by our crash safety rating system which only takes into account the mortality rate of those inside the car as apposed to average related fatalities. This means it will prioritize safety of those in the vehicle, which has led to our average fatalities increasing. 2

    As an unintended side effect this also damages roads much faster because vehicle weight per axle determines the magnitude of the damage a vehicle does to the road. 3 anecdotally this makes me concerned for the additional weight that electric cars add.

    Also as vehicles increase in weight the amount of microplastics put into the air as a by product of tire wear increase. 4

    As cars increase in size (and therefore weight) the downsides are exponential.

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    All that plus everyone is going 10 over on their phones. If operating a motor vehicle is so disinteresting to you, that you need to look at your phone every 10 seconds, DON'T DRIVE.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago

    Driving is simultaneously the most boring and most dangerous thing people do day-to-day. They want the driving to stop as soon as possible, so they speed. They don't want to be stuck with their own thoughts for even a single second, so they text.

    And there's no choice. It's not like they can get anywhere without a car in this shithole country.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Thank you for putting these links together! I'm about to be in the market for a truck and have been researching current models, and noticed the trend of larger and larger vehicles for a few years now, and wondered why. It couldn't just be because of lifted truck culture. I'm about to just go to a junk yard and try to restore an old one.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Honestly, I would love a lil Japanese kei truck in addition to my daily driver vehicle. They seem like the perfect lil truck for dump runs and transporting materials from Home Depot or what have you.

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  • [–] 73 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I got curious.. In Norway pedestrian fatalities fell by ~73% (from 22 to 6) from 2010 to 2024.

    Source, a quick search on SSB.no.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I wonder if it's all of the touch screens? I got in a rideshare vehicle the other day and the driver had fucking youtube on

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Trucks and SUVs have also gotten bigger with flatter fronts. People used to go onto the hood in a collision, now they go under the vehicle

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (19 children)

    And now the States has forced the EU to allow shit cars like that.

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  • [+] 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (18 children)
  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (17 children)

    There would certainly be consequences if they stood up to the US.

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  • [+] 12 points 11 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    Europe is essentially a collection of neocolonies of the US empire. As Europe's colonies gained independence and as NATO constantly increased demands for US military hardware and as fossil fuels became dominated by trade in dollars and as the Eurozone robbed them of currency sovereignty, they became stuck in a state of dependency on the US and USD. The amount of leverage Trump has to punish Europe is actually massive, tariffs are the tip of the iceberg.

    How does a winter without imported US gas sound? You can't get it from Russia anymore, after all.

    The only hope I see for Europe is if they pivot to Asia, especially China. The only alternative is to get off of imported US natural gas and oil traded in dollars by switching to Chinese solar and electric vehicles, embrace electrification. The Netherlands backing down on stealing that Chinese chip factory gives me some hope that Europe isn't going to alienate itself from China too.

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  • [+] 3 points 11 months ago (5 children)
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    The US would just wait for the EU to collapse, because even a single winter without US imports would destroy them. The UK couldn't ramp up production that quickly, they've been declining as producers for a long time. There'd be at least a few years when people can't heat their homes or run factories because they're cut off from the US and Russia at the same time.

    Trump also seems fully willing to destroy the US just to teach his enemies a lesson lol

    Besides, just drilling for more fossil fuels is going to kill us all. Electrification is the only serious solution.

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  • [+] 4 points 11 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    A sudden 20% drop would be catastrophic. Europe could possibly thread the needle but things would be hard for a while, at least causing a multiple year recession.

    I'm just explaining to you the material reasons for why Europe bends the knee to the US. What's your explanation? They're just dummies?

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  • [+] 3 points 11 months ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Okay, I'm explaining my opinion. Whatever. I'm trying to root my opinion in the material reality of Europe's dependency on the US (energy, finance, military) because I think that actually neatly explains why Europe constantly bends over backwards for Trump. Again, it's not just fossil fuels. It's NATO, it's global trade in dollars, etc etc. Dependency is multifaceted.

    I can't help but notice you didn't explain your opinion on why Europe obeys the US's demands. Do you have an explanation?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Yes, the US shooting itself in retaliation. Real bad consequences, that.

    Tariffs are really stupid

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    Yes, the US is a stupid country full of stupid people.

    But, there's a reason Europe is bending the knee. As stupid and self destructive as the US is, it can still wreck their economy.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    The reason is that MEPs have been installed by Russia.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, Russia controls all the world's governments.

    This is a reasonable thing to believe and not at all fucking stupid. 👍

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Damn, 23 posts in 4 hours. You sure are posting fast.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (17 children)

    and its 100% from unnecessarily large cars

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (9 children)

    Don't forget the rising costs of living, forcing more people onto the street, creating more pedestrian-vehicle collisions generally.

    And the widespread prevalence of stroads in the US, which are more or less the most dangerous environment for pedestrians humanity has ever invented.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Don’t forget the rising costs of living, forcing more people onto the street, creating more pedestrian-vehicle collisions generally.

    I'm sorry, do you seriously think the rise in pedestrian collisions is attributable to the homeless? And do you think they literally live in the street or something?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    I'm an xray in a public trauma hospital.
    I see at least half a dozen homeless hit by cars every shift.

    They don't set up their tents on the literal street, but they do have to cross it countless times everyday.

    Combined with murder machines called stroads. Yah it's a big part of the problem. One of many parts.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds like confirmation bias and that same old assumption that only poors don't just drive a car everywhere.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I'm sorry I didn't mention all the people who don't matter to my point.

    But since you're bias is making assumptions about things I didn't mention, I usually see half a dozen a week who aren't obviously living on the street. Once every couple months or so, I even xray a hospital employee who was biking into work when they got hit by a car, or bailed trying to avoid one. But that doesn't mean they couldn't be one of the working homeless.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    That sounds made up. Maybe if you could provide evidence of an equivalent rise in homelessness. Even then, more homeless doesn't mean more people are wandering into the street.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Which part sounds made up? The increase in number of people living on the street? The idea that people living on the street are often pedestrians? The idea that an increase in the number of pedestrians will correlate with an increase in the number of pedestrian deaths?

    Here's a surprisingly good analysis of the problem. They concluded increased homeless accounts for roughly 13% of the recent increase in pedestrian deaths.

    As I said elsewhere, this isn't a single problem. It's almost certainly a multitude of problems. A multitude that all contribute to the same result.

    Another problem I pointed out in the very comment you replied to, is that our roads are almost intentionally designed to maximize the killing of pedestrians with motor vehicles.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That number is sure to drop soon, as clankers run everyone over instead.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Seeing the drivers around me, I’d believe it. Anytime I go for a walk or run I almost die. People are willing to hit another human being.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    The share of pedestrians increased over that period, which may have had something to do with it. I suspect cell phone use while driving makes up a large part as well.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I agree with you on cell phone use being a contributor. I'm not convinced that pedestrian numbers contribute at all to the increase. I'm not really even convinced that pedestrian numbers have increased at all. Population, yes, has increased but given how growingly hostile most of the US is to pedestrian traffic, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that real pedestrian numbers have decreased.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Cost of living in that time has gone up substantially nation wide. In my city (Albuquerque) there are easily twice as many people on the street today as 15 years ago. This report says it's gone up %40 in just the last 2 years alone.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Um, that's a report on homelessness. The majority of pedestrians are not, in fact, homeless.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago*

    Right, but majority or not, if homelessness more than doubles, the number of pedestrians will also increase. Will it not?

    Keep in mind there is no one single cause here. There are half a dozen major causes probably.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I live in a small town and when I'm walking around it seems as though half of the vehicles that drive by are in their phones

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    If you walk into the knife, someone is running around with, then its your fault?

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