Developing superintelligence is now in sight,” says Mark Zuckerberg, heralding the “creation and discovery of new things that aren’t imaginable today.” Powerful AI “may come as soon as 2026 [and will be] smarter than a Nobel Prize winner across most relevant fields,” says Dario Amodei, offering the doubling of human lifespans or even “escape velocity” from death itself. “We are now confident we know how to build AGI,” says Sam Altman, referring to the industry’s holy grail of artificial general intelligence — and soon superintelligent AI “could massively accelerate scientific discovery and innovation well beyond what we are capable of doing on our own.”

Should we believe them? Not if we trust the science of human intelligence, and simply look at the AI systems these companies have produced so far.

The common feature cutting across chatbots such as OpenAI’s ChatGPT, Anthropic’s Claude, Google’s Gemini, and whatever Meta is calling its AI product this week are that they are all primarily “large language models.” Fundamentally, they are based on gathering an extraordinary amount of linguistic data (much of it codified on the internet), finding correlations between words (more accurately, sub-words called “tokens”), and then predicting what output should follow given a particular prompt as input. For all the alleged complexity of generative AI, at their core they really are models of language.

The problem is that according to current neuroscience, human thinking is largely independent of human language — and we have little reason to believe ever more sophisticated modeling of language will create a form of intelligence that meets or surpasses our own. Humans use language to communicate the results of our capacity to reason, form abstractions, and make generalizations, or what we might call our intelligence. We use language to think, but that does not make language the same as thought. Understanding this distinction is the key to separating scientific fact from the speculative science fiction of AI-exuberant CEOs.

The AI hype machine relentlessly promotes the idea that we’re on the verge of creating something as intelligent as humans, or even “superintelligence” that will dwarf our own cognitive capacities. If we gather tons of data about the world, and combine this with ever more powerful computing power (read: Nvidia chips) to improve our statistical correlations, then presto, we’ll have AGI. Scaling is all we need.

But this theory is seriously scientifically flawed. LLMs are simply tools that emulate the communicative function of language, not the separate and distinct cognitive process of thinking and reasoning, no matter how many data centers we build.

We use language to think, but that does not make language the same as thought

Last year, three scientists published a commentary in the journal Nature titled, with admirable clarity, “Language is primarily a tool for communication rather than thought.” Co-authored by Evelina Fedorenko (MIT), Steven T. Piantadosi (UC Berkeley) and Edward A.F. Gibson (MIT), the article is a tour de force summary of decades of scientific research regarding the relationship between language and thought, and has two purposes: one, to tear down the notion that language gives rise to our ability to think and reason, and two, to build up the idea that language evolved as a cultural tool we use to share our thoughts with one another.

Let’s take each of these claims in turn.

When we contemplate our own thinking, it often feels as if we are thinking in a particular language, and therefore because of our language. But if it were true that language is essential to thought, then taking away language should likewise take away our ability to think. This does not happen. I repeat: Taking away language does not take away our ability to think. And we know this for a couple of empirical reasons.

First, using advanced functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), we can see different parts of the human brain activating when we engage in different mental activities. As it turns out, when we engage in various cognitive activities — solving a math problem, say, or trying understand what is happening in the mind of another human — different parts of our brains “light up” as part of networks that are distinct from our linguistic ability: A set of images of the brain, with different parts lighting up, labeled “language network,” “multiple demand network,” and “theory of mind network,” all of which support different functions. Nature

Second, studies of humans who have lost their language abilities due to brain damage or other disorders demonstrate conclusively that this loss does not fundamentally impair the general ability to think. “The evidence is unequivocal,” Fedorenko et al. state, that “there are many cases of individuals with severe linguistic impairments … who nevertheless exhibit intact abilities to engage in many forms of thought.” These people can solve math problems, follow nonverbal instructions, understand the motivation of others, and engage in reasoning — including formal logical reasoning and causal reasoning about the world.

If you’d like to independently investigate this for yourself, here’s one simple way: Find a baby and watch them (when they’re not napping). What you will no doubt observe is a tiny human curiously exploring the world around them, playing with objects, making noises, imitating faces, and otherwise learning from interactions and experiences. “Studies suggest that children learn about the world in much the same way that scientists do—by conducting experiments, analyzing statistics, and forming intuitive theories of the physical, biological and psychological realms,” the cognitive scientist Alison Gopnik notes, all before learning how to talk. Babies may not yet be able to use language, but of course they are thinking! And every parent knows the joy of watching their child’s cognition emerge over time, at least until the teen years.

So, scientifically speaking, language is only one aspect of human thinking, and much of our intelligence involves our non-linguistic capacities. Why then do so many of us intuitively feel otherwise?

This brings us to the second major claim in the Nature article by Fedorenko et al., that language is primarily a tool we use to share our thoughts with one another — an “efficient communication code,” in their words. This is evidenced by the fact that, across the wide diversity of human languages, they share certain common features that make them “easy to produce, easy to learn and understand, concise and efficient for use, and robust to noise.”

Even parts of the AI industry are growing critical of LLMs

Without diving too deep into the linguistic weeds here, the upshot is that human beings, as a species, benefit tremendously from using language to share our knowledge, both in the present and across generations. Understood this way, language is what the cognitive scientist Cecilia Heyes calls a “cognitive gadget” that “enables humans to learn from others with extraordinary efficiency, fidelity, and precision.”

Our cognition improves because of language — but it’s not created or defined by it.

Take away our ability to speak, and we can still think, reason, form beliefs, fall in love, and move about the world; our range of what we can experience and think about remains vast.

But take away language from a large language model, and you are left with literally nothing at all.

An AI enthusiast might argue that human-level intelligence doesn’t need to necessarily function in the same way as human cognition. AI models have surpassed human performance in activities like chess using processes that differ from what we do, so perhaps they could become superintelligent through some unique method based on drawing correlations from training data.

Maybe! But there’s no obvious reason to think we can get to general intelligence — not improving narrowly defined tasks —through text-based training. After all, humans possess all sorts of knowledge that is not easily encapsulated in linguistic data — and if you doubt this, think about how you know how to ride a bike.

In fact, within the AI research community there is growing awareness that LLMs are, in and of themselves, insufficient models of human intelligence. For example, Yann LeCun, a Turing Award winner for his AI research and a prominent skeptic of LLMs, left his role at Meta last week to found an AI startup developing what are dubbed world models: “​​systems that understand the physical world, have persistent memory, can reason, and can plan complex action sequences.” And recently, a group of prominent AI scientists and “thought leaders” — including Yoshua Bengio (another Turing Award winner), former Google CEO Eric Schmidt, and noted AI skeptic Gary Marcus — coalesced around a working definition of AGI as “AI that can match or exceed the cognitive versatility and proficiency of a well-educated adult” (emphasis added). Rather than treating intelligence as a “monolithic capacity,” they propose instead we embrace a model of both human and artificial cognition that reflects “a complex architecture composed of many distinct abilities.”

They argue intelligence looks something like this: A chart that looks like a spiderweb, with different axes labeled “speed,” “knowledge,” “reading & writing,” “math,” “reasoning,” “working memory,” “memory storage,” “memory retrieval,” “visual,” and “auditory.” Center for AI Safety

Is this progress? Perhaps, insofar as this moves us past the silly quest for more training data to feed into server racks. But there are still some problems. Can we really aggregate individual cognitive capabilities and deem the resulting sum to be general intelligence? How do we define what weights they should be given, and what capabilities to include and exclude? What exactly do we mean by “knowledge” or “speed,” and in what contexts? And while these experts agree simply scaling language models won’t get us there, their proposed paths forward are all over the place — they’re offering a better goalpost, not a roadmap for reaching it.

Whatever the method, let’s assume that in the not-too-distant future, we succeed in building an AI system that performs admirably well across the broad range of cognitive challenging tasks reflected in this spiderweb graphic. Will we have achieved building an AI system that possesses the sort of intelligence that will lead to transformative scientific discoveries, as the Big Tech CEOs are promising? Not necessarily. Because there’s one final hurdle: Even replicating the way humans currently think doesn’t guarantee AI systems can make the cognitive leaps humanity achieves.

We can credit Thomas Kuhn and his book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions for our notion of “scientific paradigms,” the basic frameworks for how we understand our world at any given time. He argued these paradigms “shift” not as the result of iterative experimentation, but rather when new questions and ideas emerge that no longer fit within our existing scientific descriptions of the world. Einstein, for example, conceived of relativity before any empirical evidence confirmed it. Building off this notion, the philosopher Richard Rorty contended that it is when scientists and artists become dissatisfied with existing paradigms (or vocabularies, as he called them) that they create new metaphors that give rise to new descriptions of the world — and if these new ideas are useful, they then become our common understanding of what is true. As such, he argued, “common sense is a collection of dead metaphors.”

As currently conceived, an AI system that spans multiple cognitive domains could, supposedly, predict and replicate what a generally intelligent human would do or say in response to a given prompt. These predictions will be made based on electronically aggregating and modeling whatever existing data they have been fed. They could even incorporate new paradigms into their models in a way that appears human-like. But they have no apparent reason to become dissatisfied with the data they’re being fed — and by extension, to make great scientific and creative leaps.

Instead, the most obvious outcome is nothing more than a common-sense repository. Yes, an AI system might remix and recycle our knowledge in interesting ways. But that’s all it will be able to do. It will be forever trapped in the vocabulary we’ve encoded in our data and trained it upon — a dead-metaphor machine. And actual humans — thinking and reasoning and using language to communicate our thoughts to one another — will remain at the forefront of transforming our understanding of the world.

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[–] 10 points 11 months ago

ai bros are barely conscious themselves so it’s not surprising they think a machine is

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's impossible, we don't even fully understand how the brain works or what consciousness is yet. How can they possibly expect to build a reasonable model of it? It feels like they're just building an approximation machine, with all the worst human qualities built right in, such as acting like an expert and lying about things until caught.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Bro, just 10 million more dollars bro and my stochastic parrot will definitely be conscious... bro I only need a billion more and my AI will be intelligent... bro just a trillion more dollars bro...

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 71 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    A wise man once said "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."

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  • [–] 43 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    A probabilistic "word calculator" is not an intelligent, conscious agent? Oh noes! 🙄😅

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I'll bite.

    How would you distinguish a sufficiently advanced word calculator from an actual intelligent, conscious agent?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    If I can't meet it and could only interact with it through a device, then I could be fooled, of course.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    But then how can you tell that it's not an actual conscious being?

    This is the whole plot of so many sci-fi novels.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago*

    Because it simply isn't, it isn't aware of anything because such algorithm, if it can exist, hasn't been created yet! It doesn't "know" anything because the it we're talking about is probabilistic code fed the internet and filtered through the awareness of actual human beings who update the code. If this were a movie, you'd know it too if you saw the POV of the LLM and the guy trying to trick you, making sure the text is human whenever it went too off the rails... but that's already the reality we live in and it's easily checked! You're thinking of an actual AI, which perhaps could exist one day, but God knows. There is research that indicates consciousness to be a quantum process, and philosophically and mathematically it's just non-computational (check Roger Penrose!), so we might still be a bit away from recreating consciousness. 🤷

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Linguists were divided until recently, to be fair.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Well, and whether intelligence is required for mastery of language. Not even that long ago, in 2009, my linguistics professor held a forum discussion within the linguistics, informatics, and philosophy departments at my school where they each gave their perspectives on whether true mastery of language could exist without intelligence.

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago

    Well duh... Most politicians can talk.

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    [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    CUTTING EDGE RESEARCH SHOWS something everybody already knew and were saying for years.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    Something I was taught in film school 15 years ago was that communication happens when a message is perceived. Whether the message was intended or not is irrelevant. And yet here we are, "communicating" with a slightly advanced autocomplete algorithm and calling it intelligent.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago

    This is not really cutting edge research. These limitations were described philosophically for millenia. Then again mathematically through the various AI summers and winters since 1943.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    Monied intrests beat science every day.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I keep saying that those llm peddlers are selling us a brain, when at most they only deliver Wernicke's + Broca's area of a brain.

    Sure, they are necessary for a human like brain, but it's only 10% of the job done my guys.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    LLMs are actually very, very useful for certain things.

    The problem isn't that they lack utility. It's that they're constantly being shoehorned into area where they aren't useful.

    They're great at surfacing nee knowledge for things you don't have a complete picture of. You can't take that knowledge at face value but a framework that you can validate with external sources can be a massive timesaver

    They're good at summarizing text. They're good at finding solutions to very narrow and specific coding challenges.

    They're not useful at providing support. They are not useful at detailing specific, technical issues. They are not good friends.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Let me grab all your downvotes by making counterpoints to this article.

    I'm not saying that it's not right to bash the fake hype that the likes of altman and alienberg are making with their outlandish claims that AGI is around the corner and that LLM are its precursor. I think that's 100% spot on.

    But the news article is trying to offer an opinion as if it's a scientific truth, and this is not acceptable either.

    The basis for the article is the supposed "cutting-edge research" that shows language is not the same as intelligence. The problem is that they're referring to a publication from last year that is basically an op-ed, where the authors go over existing literature and theories to cement their view that language is a communication tool and not the foundation of thought.

    The original authors do acknowledge that the growth in human intelligence is tightly related to language, yet assert that language is overall a manifestation of intelligence and not a prerequisite.

    The nature of human intelligence is a much debated topic, and this doesn't particularly add to the existing theories.

    Even if we accept the authors' views, then one might question if LLMs are the path to AGI. Obviously many lead researchers in AI have the same question - most notably, Prof LeCun is leaving Meta precisely because he has the same doubts and wants to progress his research through a different path.

    But the problem is that the Verge article then goes on to conclude the following:

    an AI system might remix and recycle our knowledge in interesting ways. But that’s all it will be able to do. It will be forever trapped in the vocabulary we’ve encoded in our data and trained it upon — a dead-metaphor machine. And actual humans — thinking and reasoning and using language to communicate our thoughts to one another — will remain at the forefront of transforming our understanding of the world.

    This conclusion is a non sequitur. It generalizes a specific point about the capacity of LLMs to evolve into true AGI or not, into an "AI dumb" catchall that ignores even the most basic evidence that they themselves give - like being able to "solve" go, or play chess in a way that no human can even comprehend - and, to top it off, conclude that "it will never be able to" in the future.

    Looking back at the last 2 years, I don't think anyone can predict what AI research breakthroughs might happen in the next 2, let alone "forever".

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    LLMs are simply tools that emulate the communicative function of language, not the separate and distinct cognitive process of thinking and reasoning ...

    Take away our ability to speak, and we can still think, reason, form beliefs, fall in love, and move about the world; our range of what we can experience and think about remains vast.

    But take away language from a large language model, and you are left with literally nothing at all.

    The author seems to be making the assumption that a LLM is the equivalent of the language processing parts of the brain (which according to the cited research supposedly focus on language specifically and the other parts of the brain do reasoning) but that isn't really how it works. LLMs have to internally model more than just the structure of language because text contains information that isn't just about the structure of language. The existence of Multimodal models makes this kind of obvious; they train on more input types than just text, whatever it's doing internally is more abstract than only being about language.

    Not to say the research on the human brain they're talking about is wrong, it's just that the way they are trying to tie it in to AI doesn't make any sense.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Took a lot of scrolling to find an intelligent comment on the article about how outputting words isn't necessarily intelligence.

    Appreciate you doing the good work I'm too exhausted with Lemmy to do.

    (And for those that want more research in line with what the user above is talking about, I strongly encourage checking out the Othello-GPT line of research and replication, starting with this write-up from the original study authors here.)

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    AI tech bros are like we’re going to build technology so powerful we have been warned about it for generations without any ethics or regulations to eliminate all of your jobs and to make you obsolete while we strip all of your social safety nets, build ai mass surveillance against your 4th amendment rights and militarize your streets so you and everyone you love will either die or go to prison for being homeless and work as a slave for us in that prison and we’re going to use your money for our evil plan and we’re all like maybe we can just vote blue no matter who even though they pay them to just pretend to try to do something about this but they ultimately do nothing because a few magically turn facist when it matters so basically we’re just going to do nothing even though we know we’re being marched to our death by psychopaths who are very vocal about their intentions….am I following the story? Am I wrong?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You're forgetting that, like all of americas problems, the solution has been found elsewhere and you're just not going to do it because reasons I guess? Idk. I'm not American. Thank god.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Because what we call intelligence (the human kind) usually is just an emergent property of the wielding of various combinations of fist or second-hand experience by “consciousness” which itself is…

    What we like to call the tip of a huge fucking iceberg of constant lifelong internal dialogues, overlapping and integrating experiences all the way back to the memories (engrams, assemblies, neurons that wired together to represent something), even the ones so old or deep we can’t even summon them any longer, but often are still measurable, still there, integrating like lego bricks with other assemblies.

    Humans continuously, reflexively, recursively tell and re-tell our own stories to ourselves all day, and even at night, just to make sense of the connections we made today, how to use them tomorrow, to know how they relate to connections we made a lifetime ago, and how it fits in the larger story of us. That “context integration window” absolutely DWARFS even the deepest language model, even though our own organic “neural net” is low-power, lacks back-propagation, etc etc, and it is all done using language.

    So yes, language is not the same as intelligence (though at some point some would ask “who can tell the difference?”) HOWEVER… The semantic taxonomies, symbolic cognition, and various other mental tools that are enabled by language are absolutely, verifiably required for this gargantuan context integration to take place.

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    [–] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Um...yeah. About ten seconds of critical thinking also shows that language is not the same as intelligence.

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    The title is not false. If you actually bothered to read the article, you'd see that the argument being made is that the AI tech companies are selling a vision to their investors that's at odds with the research. The current LLM based approach to AI cannot achieve general intelligence.

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    And once again, what the article is actually talking is how LLMs are being sold to investors. At this point, I get the impression that you simply lack basic reading comprehension to understand the article you're commending on.

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    [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    But I spek!

    The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Betteridge's Law

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I would go further and say that sometimes speaking is a good way to prove a lack of intelligence.

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