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[–] 63 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

Worth every penny. Andor was peak. Ig it also explains why it felt so real compared to the weird plastic feel the SW sequels have (apart from VIII on the island) have.

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Andor and Rogue One are some of the best Star Wars stories yet, and they flow so great together.

    They put Mon Mothma at a rave... and it was great!

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    Eh, idk, but to me rogue one is still whatever honestly, that movie is peak nostalgiabait for the most part with a serviceable plot that keeps things moving like a series or short levels of Jedi Knight or something so you can keep munching popcorn, and the cinematography and setpieces are actually really good.

    Sure it's now even more fun because the characters are fleshed out in a primetime TV drama that came out years later and I do rewatch it more often because of that, but it's like saying revenge of the sith flows well with clone wars S7, nah, not really, there's an island of quality between the two.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I think I should watch that show at some point

    I just got completely burned out on Star wars. And I say that as someone who watched all current trek series and even most MCU stuff

    The SW stuff just was so.... Bland

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  • [–] 64 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Sure, but the Andor series is like 20 hours long, vs a two hour movie

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah article is dogshit, it's headline is about the cost but the rest of it they talk about the ratings.

    Yeah they spent 705 million on 20 hours of TV. They also spent 639 million on The Force Awakens alone.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Wow those numbers are way closer than I was expecting. I mean just with the marketing of two separate seasons of TV I expected there be a way bigger difference than 65-ish million dollars.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    Therical releases provide a means to realistically recoup those costs.

    The streaming model is built upon content hours, and a show this expensive is just bad business and terribly unsustainable, even if it was a great show.

    I do think it's reasonable to critique the business decisions that led to giving a two-season run show a nearly three-quarters of a billion-dollar budget.

    If this happened in a vacuum, that would be one thing. But it speaks to a larger problem of Disney's suspiciously high budgets for their original content.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    And it showed, some of the best content in the SW universe, along with Clone Wars/Bad Batch which I thought would be rubbish & ended up thoroughly enjoying more than nearly any of the recent films!

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    [–] 25 points 11 months ago* (8 children)

    Andor may have been the only actually good Star Wars anything. It is so weird that they made a show with good writing and no pandering only to have douchebags complain that the series was more expensive that their crappy 2.5 hour movies.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (6 children)
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    Personally I thought Rogue One was ok in cinemas, but I found it hard to care very much about the characters, so it wasn't any better than "ok".

    Rewatching it after Andor really lifted it for me, because now I did have an investment in the characters to a much greater degree.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Absolutely. That’s something I couldn’t quite put my finger on. I thought Rogue One was great. It really filled in a lot of the missing Star Wars movie lore (if one didn’t read any of the books), and it was a darker movie in the vein of ESB.

    Then I watched Andor.

    You really get a much, much deeper take on all the characters and the story gets far more detail.

    And as soon as I watched the last episode of Andor I watched Rogue One again and it really feels more like assembling disparate parts into an action film.

    But that’s the price of having to assemble a big story and see it all in ~two hours.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    Yeah Andor really highlights how light on character development Rogue One is. It’s just action scenes stringed together with a bit of traveling and dialogue. Like I didn’t care for most of the deaths in the movie or even feel sad for Jyn because the movie didn’t make me feel invested in the characters.

    The same problem is there with Gareth Edwards other movies like Godzilla and The Creator. Lots of action, lots of characters, but not enough time spend on the characters to feel emotionally connected to them.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, people claim Andor is a great movie. But to me it doesn't hold up. It looks like a great movie. What I always imagined and hoped for in a prequel/sequel as a kid.

    But... All the main characters died at the end and I didn't care at all. In contrast the bloody robot died in the middle of the movie and I was very sad.

    To me it totally falls flat on its protagonist. Which is kind of critical for a movie to be "good" in my books. At least it had a protagonist, I guess, unlike the Phantom Menace,

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Eww, Red Letter Media? I thought we had collectively finally agreed that their low-effort nitpicking style of media criticism was crap back around the time Nostalgia Critic and Cinema Sins got cancelled. I honestly can't believe RLM was ever popular. Beyond the fact that it agreed with the then-consensus of "perqels bad!!!1!1!!!", I've never been able to see any redeeming qualities to it. Asinine attempts at comedy, shallow analysis, wilfully misinterpreting the text. I've not watched it since the first time I saw it over a decade ago, but all it did was harden me in my stance that the prequels are actually not that bad, and the haters are just morons who hate anything different from exactly what they were already expected. (I'll admit, I have since softened on that stance and can recognise the many flaws in the prequels, but they're still a lot better than RLM gives them credit for, and their approach is certainly not good film criticism.)

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I watched Rogue one after Andor season 2 and no, Rogue one does not measure up. It's a good star wars movie, but comparing a 2 hour long action movie to 2 seasons of TV series is not faire. Character development and suspens are just on another level in Andor.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    The first season of The Mandalorian was art. Real minimalism in the cinematography that felt like a nod to Sergio Leone, focus and real intent to every scene, sparse dialogue.

    It became just another Star Wars show after that, unfortunately, but it had a really solid start.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I was wondering how the episodes were so long and well done. I kept thinking, “why can’t all new Star Wars be this good” and I’m guessing it’s the cost. Andor and Rogue One are easily my favorite Star Wars experiences.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You can make good quality shows on a shoestring budget if you really want to. Even something fantasy/science fiction themed. It's more about intent and ability than it is budget. Plenty of high-budget productions still look like shit.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    For once it makes sense. Andor is the only good thing to come out of this license since Return of the Jedi... (Not counting video games)

    I maye have a soft spot for The Last Jedi, but a shit sandwich with a thin layer of caviar in the middle is still a shit sandwich.

    (Also maybe Rogue One, I haven't seen it yet)

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    I'd hope so, the difference in hours of content is....a lot.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    It was an amazing show with high production quality. The sets alone were incredible. I would have been surprised had it not cost a fortune.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    No matter how good Andor might be, Disney is a fascist magat organization beyond redemption.

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    [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    What are the chances this is Hollywood accounting shenanigans

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    [–] 71 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    And it shows.

    Andor feels so tactile. The Sequels feel like a bunch of polygons flying around and exploding.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Agreed. Andor had depth to it, great production values and brilliant writing. The sequels felt shallow, hollow even.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago

    Well duh. Their best idea was literally "somehow Palpatine returned" then killing off the most liked character.

    There was a semblance of an idea going in, this somehow got sold to Disney execs who just threw money at it hoping to revive the SW brand, but all that managed to do was mirror the original trilogy with little to no originality.

    This is what happens when you give that "semblance of an idea" to someone who'd get kicked off of AO3 for abysmal shite level writing.

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  • [–] 40 points 11 months ago* (10 children)

    Hold up now. Is Fake News Forbes really trying to claim that 20 hours of content cost more than 2 and a half hours? Donald needs to sue.

    Also: are they hiring?

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The thing is that its not "linear", movies and TV series don't have the same goals, set pieces and crews available, or production value

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    It really depends on the TV show.

    Modern TV has transitioned to more serialised, continual episodes that form not just a singular but a continuous story. They're essentially a much, much longer movie, with considerably more details.

    This is in contrast of "old" TV prior to DVRs, streaming, etc., that allowed a level of rewatchability on demand (thus making modern TV possible), where content had to be episodic and somewhat fragmented. A great contrast piece is Star Trek - every episode essentially reset the status quo by the end, there were very little season-wide progresses made in each, and you could have easily missed half a season, or even 4 seasons, you'd more or less know what's going on if you tuned in.

    "Old" TV has a very different production format compared to movies. New TV? Especially with all the new tech? I'd say it's pretty close - just considerably longer. Just like the end result.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I think the Sequel Trilogy runs a little longer than two and a half hours.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    They aren't talking about the trilogy as a whole, they specifically state "any of the movies".

    So an entire season of television to any one of 5 different movies.

    Just for fun, let's math:

    Episode 7 $533M / 136M = $3,933,823.53 per minute.
    8 $410M / 152M = $2,887,323.94 per minute.
    9 $593.7M / 142M = $4,180,985.92 per minute.
    Rogue One $280.2M / 133M = $2,106,766.92 per minute.
    Solo $364.5M / 135M = $2,700,000 per minute. Even(!) Wow, that's kind of cool.

    Andor - $705.5M for all 24 episodes. 582 minutes for season 1, 502 minutes for season 2. 1,084 minutes total for a cost of $650,830.26 per minute.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    705 million looked insane, but it makes a lot more sense when you divide it out like that. That's still a lot per minute. I wonder how it stacks up to non-Star Wars shows.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    Agree'd but also what tv shows have armies of accountants able to saddle different products with different costs? Probably some, but I wonder how much andors cost is shifted or tangental for tax reasons.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    I just checked and the last season of Game of Thrones was estimated to be $15 million per episode, which is about $300,000 per minute if I'm generous. Other big name shows seem to be 3-10 million per episode. Andor is twice that, so I'm back to those numbers being insane. How can Disney possibly hope to make 3/4 of a billion dollars off streaming subscriptions specifically to watch Andor?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I think these are long term games. Look at Netflix who has a growing graveyard of cancelled shows. People are noticing. Andor is a finished product with acclaim that people will keep coming back to over decades. It’s one of the reasons why Disney was hesitant to start doing blu-ray releases again. I think they finally figured out that the streaming and blu-ray crowds are different markets.

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    [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Where any of the Star Wars movies 24 hours long?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I got bored multiple times watching Andor, still haven't finished it...

    Definitely better than the trilogy they made, though. I can't believe they fucked that up so bad. They should have made Rey a Grey Jedi... But no. Just more of the same dichometric bullshit.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    andor was actually good, but still.. I just don't care anymore to try and keep up with the shit they're pumping out (same with marvel).

    they flooded too much content and pushed people like me away

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I couldn't keep up with it because it felt "separated" from the rest of Star Wars for probably the dumbest reason. the tech.

    It's a really stupid reason. the imperial magnet sneakers made me stop watching. I thought it was silly. But in hindsight when I think about it IF the prequels didn't exist I could watch Andor. It's just kinda jarring for me when you got all this shiny stuff in other series like The Clone Wars, Bad Batch, Mandalorian, etc and then go back to the look and feel of the original '77 none SE edition of Star Wars. It just took me out of it. It's a real dumb nitpick and I should probably give Andor another shot.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    So Andor s1 cost $640M, nearly 11x the cost of s2? Am I reading that right?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    I would hope they spent more money on something with a runtime of nearly 10 hours (season 1) then something a move with a runtime of 90-120 minutes.

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