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[–] 41 points 11 months ago (31 children)

I’m not to familiar with zorin, and I don’t see it recommended often. What’s the deal? Any criticisms of it? Especially for new users?

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago

    It looks and feels a bit like windows with the theming it has out of the box. So it’s probably an easier on ramp and possibly recommended in “what Linux is most like windows” google searches and the like.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I think it's just a really good Windows-like. It uses a modified GNOME that looks pretty good. Though as a KDE fangirl, I probably wouldn't be able to see it as anything other than GNOME. (◕દ◕)

    It's based on Ubuntu, so I'm sure support is good and breakage is infrequent.

    It also looks like you can pay $50 and get access to the pro version, which can mimic any of the major desktops and also lets you use their exclusive creative suite. If that's any good, it's no wonder people are flocking to it. Linux is still kinda mid for creatives.

    Kinda seems like the new Mint, not that Mint is going anywhere.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I thought there was a charge or something. I guess that’s what turned me off from it.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    IIRC their web site used to make it sound like it was a paid product but it was always possible to get it for free. Can't remember the exact details, perhaps something similar to those "name your price" softwares that have a pre-filled recommended value but it's also possible to choose €0? I checked what it looks like nowadays and the Pro version does come up first if you go to downloads, and then there's a free Core version below it.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Which is weird right? Who is recommending this distro for it to surge? Is this actually a lot of downloads when compared to other distros? I've never seen it listed once in any of the many "which distro should I switch to?" posts.

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  • [+] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I've never actually read a Forbes article on my own. I've seen some Forbes articles posted though. Maybe all these downloads are just from Forbes junkies and they saw the article.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Just try it.

    I did and I was pretty impressed. The way they modified the Gnome desktop with extensions is the way Gnome should've been in the first place. It's actually usable.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (7 children)

    Hi, I just switched my home PC to Zorin. I picked it thinking that it would be the simplest version of Linux for my family members to start using, given its similarity to Windows. So far no issues with them using it but it is noticably slower to load programs.

    I use will continue using Mint on my personal devices despite my dislike for using the terminal, having grown up doing everything through the Windows GUI.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Are there specific things you dislike about terminal?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I don't speak the language. Everything is hidden, unless you know the words that invoke the desired effect. Eg. sudo apt update or the like. Also, plenty of room for error, even if you do have some idea what you're doing. With a GUI, the user can at least fumble around through menus to find the desired action.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Do you mind sharing what you use the terminal for? There is usually a gui to do most things these days.

    I also only know basic commands. ChatGPT is pretty good that, so it is my first stop if I need something complex.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Whenver the desred action is not evident in the GUI, I use teminal and have Chat translate it into Linuxese. Terminal is GPT's goto, 4sure. It is apparent that terminal is much more elegant, if you speak the language. Fumbling around in a GUI must feel so clumsey to a master.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Yeah, those of us who've gotten familiar with the terminal often forget that it generally lacks discoverability and getting to the point of knowing how to find things in it can be painful and annoying.

    Not enjoying the terminal isn't a failing. GUIs exist for a reason.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Tried it when I was starting out. But I may have read somewhere that it uses telemetry. So uninstalled later.

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Gotta have to congratulate the folks over at Zorin OS for this succes. Mad props!

    Though, I gotta wonder: Can we expect similar numbers for Linux Mint or Ubuntu? Or, has Zorin OS somehow won the post-W10 SEO-wars? And, if so, how?

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Well Zorin is ubuntu based, so i feel like that's a win for Ubuntu (and debian)

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    It's Ubuntu based, but it's doing a lot of what Ubuntu is for. If canonical is happy with that that's awesome, but I would suspect that they want these people going to Ubuntu itself. Ubuntu remains recommended against by a lot of people.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    They have better marketing and establishing user benefit, their next project is GRID which is supposed to be for an IT admin to mass deploy software,patches and policies from a dashboard, like you do with Windows. So they will gain credit with IT pros

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  • [+] 19 points 11 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago*

    A Linux distro can be “for beginners” because it includes reasonable defaults and tools that make it easier to use. But it will never really be “only” for beginners.

    Every Linux distro uses basically the same kernel. They all offer a console to access the command line. So, as an expert, what can I not do in basically any version of Linux?

    With things like Distrobox, I can even get any other version of Linux on my version of Linux.

    I could be installing applications from the AUR 15 minutes after installing ZorinOS. I could be running containers, compiling code, deploying cloud infrastructure, doing offensive cybersecurity, playing games in Steam, transcoding video, or running AI agents the console. What exactly can I not do on Zorin that need an “expert” distro for?

    People are a bit too elitist sometimes.

    Not a Zorin user by the way.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I took time over the weekend to put Bazzite as my primary OS on both my desktop and ROG Ally. Not because it necessarily performs better but just because I've had enough of all the creepy AI shit that MS is doing.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I'm sure Zorin is solid. I went with Bazzite since it does a lot for gaming out of the box and makes updates pretty easy. I have another Laptop with PopOS on it and have really enjoyed that as well. Again - pretty straight-forward experience if you are coming from Windows.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    640k 780k ought to be enough for anybody...

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    Is zorin-os that good? I don't really like its model of bundling a whole lot of free software together and then charging money for it.

    Although you can just get the free version.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    for non-techie users that want to switch it's great. Yes the updates are slow and few/far between but I mean if you go the paid route you get tech support and a few other software packages/themes.

    I think for people who just want to keep older machines going and simply want to do work and browse/stream it's fine. beyond that? good luck. I've heard that upgrading it is worse than Ubuntu and it's based on Ubuntu so...

    But Zorin has pretty good PR so that's what's going for them. Honestly though if you want a new user on linux that isn't comfortable with it just yet I feel there are better options that "just work" like Bazzite or Mint.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    Zorin is less about it just works and more that its feel is closer to windows for people looking to switch but arent ready to dive head first into unfamiliar waters. I used Zorin at my first distro for about a year as I got comfortable then just switched to Ubuntu and installed dash to panel and arc menu myself. It was a good OS for getting used to things

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    If it lessens the impact of switching operating systems, and holds them in long enough to get comfortable with Linux, alternatively provides just enough Windows-like veneer to be comfortable enough then it is still a win.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    So essentially, a bunch of them are going to try this and be disappointed and then go on to shit all over Linux as a whole...

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Or perhaps dip their toes enough to look into distro-hopping.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    Some of them might. But I wouldn't put too much faith in them, though.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    What level of faith do you require from people trying out the OS? What damage is done?

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That's not my point. My point is, they try Zorin, they don't like it, and now they go on about how much Linux sucks as they run back to Windows. I highly doubt many of them will bother distro-hopping. As far as must users will be concerned, they tried Linux and it sucked. They're almost definitely not going to want to spend more time redoing their system a bunch until they find one they like, nor are they going to want to spend the time with dotfiles getting it the way they want.

    If they did research on other distros before installing Zorin, they probably wouldn't have gone with Zorin...

    They're riding a bandwagon, not setting their own path.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I agree. If Zorin lowers the bar for entry enough that some will continue on and perhaps hop to another distro if they outgrow Zorin, then it’s a win. Desktop Linux isn’t going to win everyone over - Apple will pick up some and most will stay on Windows either way.

    There will always be a lot of people trying a product out, figuring it’s not for them for whatever reason, and revert back. I don’t see a solution that will retain those people. Change is difficult for a lot of people.

    For the Zorin org, even those who shelled out for the Pro edition and jump back to Windows, that income still goes to devs that are working to maintain the Linux ecosystem.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    ZorinOS is a decent stepping stone for those coming from windows. It was my first Linux daily driver when I made the switch. It got me comfortable enough with Linux to dive in and start learning before I started distro hopping. I ended up on Mint and now just recommend that, but Zorin got me over the hump to become a full time Linux user.

    Might be fun to make a live USB and see how much it's changed in the last ten years. I've got a 4 day weekend coming up.... might have to try that.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    It is Ubuntu with some attention to the UI and UX, and just like Ubuntu the "pro" version has a price. Which you pay a premium to have things preinstalled.

    The Zorin prices are donations to help pay the distro maintainers. You can choose 0 dollars, or atleast you used to be able to

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    It's good for people who are use to windows and aren't comfortable with linux yet, it was the first distro I used when I switched to Linux but now I've been on Fedora for the past four years or so

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    [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I never heard of zorin. I went to mint. I originally wanted a more hardcore distro but I decided to save the remaining bit of my sanity for later.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    it's great for anybody that doesn't need it for gaming. that LTS packages always gets painfully stale for non-steam

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Not really. I'm using Kubuntu 24.04 LTS and it's working fine

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    begging people to consider that not everything is a universal affects everyone problem but a problem nonetheless it's called survivor bias. zorin is a unique offender for producing their even number LTS on the following off numbered year . they only got 24.04 like last month. some non-steam struggles when using older packages

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Zorin looks like a great starting-off point for normal (non-tech) people migrating from Windows. Visually it’s much more polished than Mint, based on Gnome and Ubuntu LTS.

    Ubuntu LTS means it can also work in a corporate setting as it will get all the vendor support.

    The Pro version is a bit of a bait-and-switch as I understand the only unique point is are the skins that give you Window 11 and MacOS look-alike themes. All the rest seems to be an open source software bundle. For Windows (or Mac) users the price isn’t really a negative and can be smart marketing.

    For all of us used to the common Linux DE’s, dabble or dive into Arch, do heavy gaming? We aren’t the target audience. And that’s fine.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago* (8 children)

    What even is zorin os lol I've never even heard of it. Normies really do surprise me often like this, like they mathematically calculate to pick the strangest least expected things through the most alien of mechanisms, it's always fun trying to figure it out after the fact. Delightful news!

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I really don't get why you wouldn't just use mint coming from windows. who is making these recs? I only hear "mint! mint!" in my circles

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    [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    in early 2000s there was a project written in pascal that was called xpde.

    it was a desktop environment that was replicating everything in xp, control panel, file manager, device manager, desktop, everything.

    i don't know how it got closed/discontinued. was it a legal issue or developers ran out of steam.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Is that headline number for the free or paid for version? I couldn't tell from the article.

    Looks like all downloads are direct from them, so it's much harder for distros using torrents to know their install base, but I suspect they're not much different.

    I've seen increased activity with the Arch, Mint & Raspios torrents that I seed - although I don't have cold figures to say how much by.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Why would someone get a free OS from anywhere other than the developer website?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    So, they know it's only windows users that downloads it? Interesting - their version 17 must have sucked so much that people switched back, and now they give it another go?

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  • [+] -8 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I still have two more laptops to install Linux on, one will have Linux mint and the gaming one , I will keep having windows as it still offers 10-20 % better performance while gaming than any Linux os.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    as it still offers 10-20 % better performance while gaming than any Linux os.

    Maybe we're playing different games, but this has not been my experience

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (2 children)

    I actually installed zorin os pro yesterday and tested on simple games like schedule 1 and cs2... And in fact ,the games performance dropped significantly. Especially for a game like schedule 1 that I had no problem max preset on 2k at 80-100 FPS.. now it's barely running at 30 FPS in middle of the Forrest on the same settings which is mental difference and I even have to use over clock on my legion.

    So far, not that good, if I be honest. Also ran into second screen support problems, bios problems and in general the os seems to bug out sometimes.

    I swapped the auto assigned drivers for GPU to prioritary tested ones for my GPU and the performance didn't really increase, but it did fix my second screen detection issue albeit now some of the settings disappeared.

    Linux mint on the other hand is 😎, but I don't use them for the same purpose as I wanted to use zorin os pro.

    Overall, it feels like it is definitely more sluggish and bug prone os compared to windows. I am happy with the sealed os and no more windows ai crap push, despite I had modded windows installed.. but the performance in games is horrendous.

    Edit.

    Should probably add that my CPU usage is never higher than 15% and my ram is ddr5 5600mhz of 32gb, which is sufficient so only bottle neck right now is GPU which i didn't have as much problems on windows as I have on zorin os pro.

    Yes, the sampled games are only two, but it paints a good picture to me how much better performance was. Also I can't even use frame gen 4 anymore, as zorin just doesn't support it. Which sucks, even tho I would ever use it for a few games only.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I've never used Zorin, so I can't tell you what the problems are caused by. I'd just recommend using a more mainstream and polished distro for gaming. Personally I've been using Fedora for a while and every game I try performs great. Can't really compare to Windows anymore as it's been a few years since the last time I used it on my hardware.

    Generally, Nvidia drivers are absolutely horrendous on Linux. However, there are distros that make installing the right ones extremely easy or even skip that part entirely. You can try Pop!_OS and select the Nvidia ISO or Manjaro, which I believe had an installer for Nvidia drivers.

    For specific games, I recommend checking out their respective ProtonDB pages. For me all games work out of the box and I never need any tweaks. Though it's a good place in case you run into any. Some games like Civilization VI have disastrous native Linux ports, so you need to manually change to Proton in the game's properties on Steam. I don't think it's the case for CS2, since Valve's games usually have great native Linux support.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Which games did you see such performance differences in? Usually it's the exact same (with a, let's say, 3% margin of error) or slightly better on Linux.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I have only tried two games yet, schedule 1 and cs2, but read the comment I left to the other guy. I have explained there more. Also, I have done digging and it appears Nvidia just has shit drivers support for their cards on Linux and the open source ones are buggy on new rtx cards.

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