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[–] 70 points 11 months ago (8 children)

welp, I have sent a form letter back to them with the deletion of all my accounts. Stating that I do not agree to the terms and am no longer hosting or providing code for these items and not giving them any license to any code or projects before the update to said lic. I have a poke into a IP lawyer friend of mine to see what else I need to do.

We all saw this coming and its fucking sad, I hope someone new will take up the torch (again) put down by Qualcomm.

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Thank you for taking decisive ethical action. I hope the example you've set will inspire others to act similarly.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I hope there is more I can do, and share to stop them just pillaging what was already out there, they bought the company not the IP of others. But I am sure they have scrapped all the code out there and they would just have someone repost all of it as 'other' users so they would control that.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Hmm. That's a good point and sounds like a fairly firm basis for a class action lawsuit.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    its hard to prove if they do just the lightest bit of scrubbing for all comments and author marks.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I was thinking more of the presumption of ownership of customer IP being acquired as part of purchasing a company by way of a ToS change. That just seems like attempted retroactive theft to me.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    its hard to say, I need to read the last one (and maybe even more) and see what the terms of acceptance on them was. Most times by acknowlaging the terms change and in writing saying you dont agree to them and agree to stop using the things that give said terms after the change date, and even then they could try and argue 'well xyz inside your home uses this chip/IP so you didnt follow the agreed cancellation of the terms you said you would do so we own all that code' and xyz is some fucking low function thing in an auto speed fan. They are just as bad as disney with the you agreed to disney+ streaming service so dying from food allergy that you mentioned and the staff knew about and said was taken care of, means you cant sue us and must let us give you 500$ and send you on your way.

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  • [–] 48 points 11 months ago

    Qualcomm and Arduino maintain that the acquisition will not alter the core spirit of the platform.

    When has this ever been true?

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  • [–] 48 points 11 months ago*

    New Terms of Service introduce perpetual content licenses, reverse-engineering bans, and widespread data collection.

    Oh hell to the no. Please don’t use software that requires selling your soul and firstborn child.

    It’s completely pointless because if you’re forbidden from understanding how it works, why use it as a learning platform? It’s a toy. A useless toy.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    I thought it would enshittify but I didn't think it would begin that quickly damn. Truly unfortunate.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    What's the plan now? Are there open source, compatible alternatives?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Hardware:

    Depends on what you mean by compatible, if you want an exact replacement for hardware just use the clones but remember that unless youre using hats (boards that plop onto eg. Arduino Uno) then you can use any other microcontroller with the caveat that some use 5v as digital io and some use 3.3v My favourites for now are Esp8266/Esp32 if i want some kind of wireless connectivity or need a bunch of ram/rom, usually in the form of seeed studio boards or clones (outputs 3.3v but is fine with 5v as input and most boards that you might want to connect to it even if they except 5v on the io will typically work with 3.3, just power them with 5v) Attiny series 1 or 2 if I'm planning to create a custom pcb and I'm fine with limited ram/rom

    But these are just my preferences, a lot of people swear by the raspberry pico series or stm32

    Software - IDE Platformio - more complex than arduino ide but also provides more options as its an extension for vs code

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Section 7.1 grants Arduino a perpetual, irrevocable license over anything you upload. Your code, projects, forum posts, and comments all fall under this. This remains in effect even after you delete your account. Arduino retains rights to your content indefinitely.

    The license is also royalty-free and sublicensable. Arduino can use your content however they want, distribute it, modify it, and even sublicense it to others.

    Holy shit the title doesn't cover it by half. This is beyond disappointing enshitification, it's a red light for any future use of Arduino.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I think not enough people care about stuff like that. Like with reddit. Maybe some sparks of outrage here and there, but no fire. In the end even the people that don't like the change come back, because they are used to it.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I think it's not that people don't care but rather that everything is going to shit so fast, people simply don't have the energy to rage against hundreds of machines.

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  • [+] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    every technical product as soon they get taken over by some corp.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Maybe I'll go back to picaxe. Or teensy.

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    [–] 120 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Here's the solution. Stop using Arduino. That's how people power work. Then a new open alternative will pop up, and people can start using that. Ones desire to create and build, should never belong to only one brand - but a universal brand - whenever possible.

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  • [–] 54 points 11 months ago

    i think it was already dead and replaced by the esp32s - the original arduinos are too expensive for what actually offered: get the performance of a 8-bit cpu with 2k RAM but at raspberry pi prices

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  • [–] 111 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Qualcomm has quietly made some massive changes to Arduino's Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, marking a clear departure from the platform's founding principles.

    According to Adafruit, the new policies introduce sweeping user-license provisions, broaden data collection (particularly around AI usage), and embed long-term account data retention, all while integrating user information into Qualcomm’s broader data ecosystem.

    Section 7.1 grants Arduino a perpetual, irrevocable license over anything you upload. Your code, projects, forum posts, and comments all fall under this. This remains in effect even after you delete your account. Arduino retains rights to your content indefinitely.

    The license is also royalty-free and sublicensable. Arduino can use your content however they want, distribute it, modify it, and even sublicense it to others.

    The terms further state that users are not allowed to reverse engineer or attempt to understand how the platform works unless Arduino gives permission. Adafruit argues that this contradicts the values that made Arduino attractive to educators, researchers, and hobbyists.

    The Privacy Policy states Arduino is wholly owned by Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. User data, including from minors, flows to other Qualcomm Group companies.

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    [–] 42 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Stupid question.

    Does this apply to what you write and upload on the Arduino IDE to your boards? Or just whatever you publish on their website/ cloud?

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Micropython is a software project, not hardware

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  • Imo, arduino is also mostly a software project nowadays. While they did make a bunch of avr boards that were quite novel and interesting at the time, now they are not as good in terms of both price and performance compared to various arm-based boards.

    What keeped arduino alive is a bunch of libs and arduino ide cores for various boards ppl have written over time.

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago

    "Hello, this brand of tools that was specifically made for people to learn about? Yes, you're no longer allowed to attempt to understand how they work."

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    Whooooa, I had no idea Arduino sold out. I thought this was about RaspberryPi for some reason at first, but this is even worse.

    The enshitifcaiton was guaranteed the second the ink touched that paper.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Beagle boards are looking better - What other alternatives are recommended?
    Edit: sorry, I was thinking of SBC's. Blue pills & ESP are good hardware, the libraries & toolchain Im not so sure about.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    Boycott time. Fuck these pricks and their money.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Please tell me ESP32 with python is still a good option or did they get bought out too?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Espressif is still just Espressif. The RP and Nordic semiconductor chips are good too, though RP is also a corporation now.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    I assume RP is raspberry pi? That's a single board computer. Arduino is a microprocessor.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Yes, the 2040 is a microcontroller.

    RP 2040: https://www.seeedstudio.com/XIAO-RP2040-v1-0-p-5026.html

    RP 2350: https://www.seeedstudio.com/Seeed-XIAO-RP2350-p-5944.html

    Nordic Semi nRF52840, Bluetooth only board: https://www.seeedstudio.com/Seeed-XIAO-BLE-nRF52840-p-5201.html

    There are a few others by this manufacturer of different chips, none quite as fast as the ESPs though:

    https://wiki.seeedstudio.com/SeeedStudio_XIAO_Series_Introduction/

    I'm only linking the Seeed ones because they're high quality. They're also the only ones I've found this size with built in battery chargers.

    Hope that helps. Oh and as a bonus, here's someone using the RP2040 and an OLED to turn a lego brick into a Doom machine:

    https://youtu.be/TJHSMpYi8bg https://youtu.be/6wBrOV2FJM8

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    Are RISCV microcontrollers out yet? Might be a good idea to rally around making a fully open IDE ecosystem and breakout board standard for it (maybe even make it pin compatible with the old school Arduino, surely they can't sue for that right?)

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    Thankfully, this doesn't seem to apply to code written outside of the Arduino ecosystem, so i ASSUME that if you're writing code for a cloned board using PlatformIO that these new terms don't apply to you

    If that's not the case, I'll switch to micropython (probably easier anyway)

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder how these terms compare to those of the Raspberry Pi Pico series.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    First it was Raspberry Pi now Arduino. Is ESP32 all that’s left?

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    What happened with raspberry pi?

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    It's more expensive than what it is really worth years ago, among many other problems. It was a cheap and reliable programming platform when it was Raspberry Pi 1.

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    That's not enshittification, that's just a price increase. I'd hardly say it's the same as this change to arduino

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Raspberry pi was founded as a cheap accessible computer that schools with few resources could afford. $25 boards, or if you had big bucks $35. With the intention the price would stay like that with improving technology. They broke this model with the rpi4 and have only gone up in price.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    First sentence: agreed. The part after that, you could have done without. Be nice to people. Especially people who have less money.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'm glad I still have shitloads of ESP8266s kicking around.

    Which ESP32 boards do folks recommend lately? Too many options.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago
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    [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Waiting for them to introduce Arduino+

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    This must mainly be about a platform where you upload content, not the hardware itself?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    How many alternatives are there to Arduino? The open source landscape is shrinking rapidly

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    There's things like the ESP32, and there's a bunch of RPi MCU based boards. There's actually enough competition that the non-arduino boards are often cheaper while being more powerful.

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