So, the Tesla Robotaxi rollout is going great and they are following all applicable local laws to autonomously drive safely. /s

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[–] 37 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

Double the Speed Limit, Hits Speed Bumps at Full Speed...Excellent

I remember a computer science professor telling us that he was once somewhere like New York City and was about to miss his flight and wasn't going to reasonably make it to the airport.

He decides to do a Hollywood-style "if you can get me to the airport in the next twenty minutes, there's X hundred dollars in it for you" to the first cab that pulled up. The prof says "The cabbie said okay and he got me there in time, and we didn't die, but I am never, ever doing that again."

Sometimes people might approve of that speed, though.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I like that they still insist on using the name Twitter. It makes me sad when a media outlet gives up and starts calling it X.

    Going with something like “X (formerly Twitter)” seems like a reasonable compromise.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's Twitter, because otherwise the language makes no damn sense.

    What do you do on Twitter? You tweet your thoughts, as individual tweets.

    Like, I don't call it X, because the branding has no internal logic, I don't know the words for how to refer to things on X.

    Like, what would I do on X? I would X my thoughts as individual Xes? Axises? God, can't say Axis on Twitter, you'll get FAR too many neonazis liking your Axises. And if I want to close the window for X? I'll click on the X in the top right hand corner of X -- fuck, it's so confusing!

    What the fuck -- they took the most recognizable short-form blogging language on earth, branding so ubiquitous that everyone intuitively understood it and used it reflexively, and rebranded it into a pile of internally inconsistent shit.

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  • Tesla influenzas, lol

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Want to go faster? Choose our Premium+ plan today.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The source is a fake website with the only articles being about criticizing Tesla. I am not a fan of Tesla or Musk, to say the least, but this is no better than X's propaganda....

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    [–] 86 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I just read on the article about how all the "tesla influencers" are refusing to comment on news media and instead insisting they only talk about it on Twitter.

    Couldn't be more manufactured consent if they tried.

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  • [–] [S] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That part really pissed me off.

    I think folks see it for what it is. Sales are cratering, public spaces that are not twitter are increasingly intolerant of the Tesla fanboys glazing the supposed tech advantage ( that we can see with our own eyes is not real )

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The true believers should volunteer to show off the Tesla's obstacle detection by standing in front of them.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Looking forward to the headlines: "Tesla Robotaxi passengers need medical attention after Robotaxi hits speed bump at 70mph"

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  • [–] [S] 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Guy in a Dogecoin t-shirt and a neckbrace: "i-i-it was r-r-really great."

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I read that in RFK Jr.'s voice

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is he the one that sounds like he smokes 30 packs a day?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah but he has a disease that makes him sound like that. If he weren't such a terrible human being I would feel bad about making fun of him.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    The sad thing is these things will probably not be taken of the road until a few dozen people have been run over.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They won't be taken off the road. After the first passengers are hit, they will blame "jaywalkers" and suggest some kind of tracking tech we have to wear.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    That language is too active. It’s more like “robot taxi passenger needs medical attention”. “During the ride with a robot taxi a passenger became unwell. It’s unclear at this point what caused the passenger to become dizzy and get a head wound. Tesla’s CEO Elon Musk told this reporter that there was no problem at all and that the passenger arrived faster at their destination than initially calculated.”

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Man, this makes me wonder if maybe robotaxis might finally be the thing that gets people to take road safety enforcement seriously. Like imagine if Tesla advertises that their taxis will break speed limits because rare speeding fines are trivial to their business. Would this make people actually support speed cameras or hefty speed enforcement fines?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    These things are gonna kill so many people...

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Oh man it was just blasting through those speed bumps lmao.

    "nice"

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Not surprising to anyone that ever driven a Tesla, or other brand car really. The speed sign detection only works about 90% of the time, which is fine if you are in control, but for self driving? Had the same with BMW, Mercedes, Renault, Honda. None of the cars I've driven over the past years were close to 100% correct with reading signage.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's almost as if we need a nationwide GPS driven speed limit detection system, rather than relying on some crappy cameras.

    That way manual drivers can be warned if they're exceeding the limit as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even nationwide GPS speed detection isn't flawless. What if an accident happens or for road works, then a temporary speed reduction can be applied. The autonomous driving system must be able to detect those situations and handle them gracefully. But also coming out of that temporary speed restricted zone. What if the car doesn't detect the end of the zone? Then the autonomous vehicle can drive dangerously slow until the next sign.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You could certainly have both systems in place, with it always picking the lowest.

    But you do want to avoid daft things, like seeing a parked lorry with "I'm speed to limited to 50" written on it, with the 50 in a red circle, and the car goes "50? Brilliant!" and zooms off past a school.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah, it's so horrible especially when it reads a speed limit from an adjacent road or, even worse, from a label on the back of a truck

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    It's not at all difficult to do really. Just steal one 30 kph sign and place it on the highway and let carnage ensue.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I've noticed that, too.

    The speed signage is nice when the car picks it up, but I'd call mine 80% accurate. Imperfect, but fine for a driver assist, I know not to rely on it.

    Crazy move to put it in a 99.9999%-accuracy-required design.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Google maps knows the speed limit of most roads, why can't that be used?

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  • [+] -23 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    The source is a fake website with the only articles being about criticizing Tesla. I am not a fan of Tesla or Musk, to say the least, but this is no better than X's propaganda....

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  • [–] [S] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Edit: Aren't you a mod on the SpaceX board? I'm not sure I trust you when you say you're "not a fan of Tesla or Musk" considering you run a fan club for one of Musk's companies XD

    I'm the automotive equivalent of a muckraker, so yeah, Tesla does enough weird stuff that I talk about them a lot. They're hardly the ONLY news I cover.

    Take this article, for instance, it was on the front page of Hacker News for a couple days, got decent circulation in European automotive magazines, too: https://fuelarc.com/tech/pop-up-ads-in-your-jeep-the-latest-stellantis-innovation/

    Believe what you like, but the videos in that article are just videos, it's not like those aren't first-hand driving footage just because you dislike where you found them.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Sorry for answering 9 month later. I never checked my inbox until now.

    I was just criticizing the choice of the source, not the facts themselves.

    And yes I was moderator on the SpaceX sub for a short while. But I got bored quite fast because there wasn't anything to moderate.

    I am passionate about space exploration and SpaceX is at the forefront of it, whether I or others like them or not. That doesn't mean I like Musk, his political stance, Tesla's business goals or any of his other more or less stupid companies. I'm against the privatization of space. I think there should be international regulations against launching satellite constellations and clogging the lower orbit without public approval. I'm also worried about the impact of exponential number of reentries of space junk on the upper atmosphere.

    I think the individual electric car is a dumb solution to the issues petrol ones are. Cars take to much place in cities. I don't own a car and never did. I was born in Paris, France, and lived there most of my life. Dense cities where walking and biking and mass transport is dominant is, in my opinion, the best way to go.

    I think Elon is a egomaniac with way to much money and power. I think he is dangerous for democracy and the USA as a whole. I think hyper-loop is a half assed idea, bordering a scam. Boring tunnels for electric cars is the worst idea ever.

    So no, I'm not a fan of Musk. Quite the opposite in fact. But you can admire the engineering prowess SpaceX have accomplished without supporting anything it's oligarchic CEO does or say. Being "with them or against them" is a simplistic take on anyone's opinions. I hope this clears the waters.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I know you don’t live here so you can just be relaxed and ummm acckktually from behind your keyboard. But please understand that real humans live on the streets that this dangerous machine is careening through, and it’s only a matter of time before it kills someone. Intentional acts of violence must be stopped immediately, and they don’t need a devil’s advocate. Please watch any of the footage from the last 3 days of operation, it’s very straightforward and clear to any observer just how fucked up and dangerous these machines are.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I live in France and am glad autonomous vehicles are not allowed here. I wish Americans where as protected from private company abuse as we are here. But I stand by the fact that the source does not look trustworthy.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    That was a pretty real video of it going twice the speed limit and trying to launch them to space over the speed bumps... what's YOUR agenda?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I don't have any except, maybe, promoting a less biased, more balanced view on any subject. Be it scientific, technological or political. I sometimes like playing the devils advocate when I think it could feed curiosity and critical thinking.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Pretty bold claim. Who can we trust in this scenario? How do we trust you?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I'm just pointing to the fishiness of the source. I am in no way a Tesla fan. I think the individual electric car is a bad solution to air pollution and global warming. Got a bit more into detail higher up in the comments.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well you can check the site yourself, that ain't too hard to do

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I did, and now I did again. I don't see/understand any clues to it being a "fake website" after browsing around and looking at various pages and articles. 🤷‍♂️ Can somebody help me understand? (Besides the condescending "just look at it", thanks!)

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago*

    Fake might have been a poor choice of word. I just found it extremely biased and it had very few articles when this one was published. On their footers it reads "FuelArc News is your unbiased source for American automotive news." When an unbiased view is waived around, I don't consider it a very good sign toward factuality.

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