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[–] 159 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (22 children)

I took the jump and installed GrapheneOS on my Pixel 9 this weekend. Easiest alternate OS load I've ever done, didn't even need to see a command line. (I've put LineageOS on many a phone and GrapheneOS's web-based installer is amazing).

Loving it so far. I have three profiles, the main 'Owner' with NO google services/app store at all; and two more 'Personal' and 'Work' profiles that have Google stuff that I alone chose to install.

Amazingly GrapheneOS even lets you deny Google App Store itself permissions to install from untrusted sources (in this case, Google App Store itself) -- I was suprised to see installing just App Store triggered attempts to then load: My Pixel, Google Photos, Fitbit(!!? WTF), and a few others, without any confirmation first. Was able to shut that shit down immediately. (I had never, ever installed Fitbit on my previous phones, so there's no excuse to install it "from my previous device" or whatever...)

I hope GrapheneOS spreads to other phone models. And I'm sure Google has a team planning on how to strangle it before it does...

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    How does it deal with banking apps? What about camera apps? How is the camera workings with other camera apps?

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  • [–] 48 points 11 months ago

    I am US-based. I have a handful of credit card apps, and a few banking / investment apps - all of them in my experience have worked fine. ONE of them required me to toggle a GrapheneOS option that enables you to exempt certain apps from some of Graphenes more hardened safety measures.

    "Exploit Protection Compatibility Mode" is the toggle which can be flipped per-app, and is very easy to access so you can quickly troubleshoot whether that's related to any app troubles or not.

    Similar to the other comment, I also use Pixel Camera by downloading the Google pixel cam APK and installing. I've removed all permissions from the camera (and photos) app besides to the camera lense itself, and file permissions of course. You can even use Pixel Cam's hefty features like unblur, erase me, etc. - though certain ones require you to temporarily give network access to the camera app so that it can reach out and download necessary packages. Once done, you can remove network permissions and the downloaded function will remain functional.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    I haven't had problems with Canadian banking apps, and I use 3 of them. Sadly, my favourite budgeting app doesn't work with Graphene OS. I use it every day (and have paid for lifetime premium access), so it was unfortunately a pretty big issue. But I love what they do. A cause worth donating to.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago*

    I haven't yet tried -- planning to do that in the next day or so when I get the time.

    Others already replied with promising results, I sure hope they work for me as well (Scotiabank in Canada is particularly annoying in this respect in my experience, with LineageOS I had to use Magisk and define stealth rules specifically for their banking app).

    Edit: As for camera, I've only tried the GrapheneOS builtin/default camera app. It's pretty basic, but I should see if I can get the Pixel9 official camera app on there, it would be nicer to use if possible but the basic one is probably good enough for my purposes.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (10 children)
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    Forgive me but what is intune? I did a quick search and just found some Microsoft endpoint protection thingie -- there is mention of a Managed Google Play but I have no idea what that would mean.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    I think the user is referring to the fact that MS Intune is famously very cautious about verifying the device it is running on.

    Many people need to use Intune on their device, to get access to work apps (eg, Teams and Outlook). If you have a rooted device, or run a non-stock OS, then Intune will fail the validation and prevent you from signing into your work accounts.

    This is the reason I don't currently use a rooted or alternative android on my primary smartphone.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Is it just not in the cards to request a separate device for work, I know I would tell my employer that I cannot guarantee that my personal device will meet their expectations.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Yes. I can request a phone from work to use, but that's lots of work, business justification, need to submit monthly expense reports for calls, and report data usage. Plus I'd need then to carry around two phones. There are lots of people at my work who do that. I don't want the hastle.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Then I have to carry two devices. I just have a custom phone and a stock tablet, this works out ok. Except the stock tablet is a Samsung and the software is super annoying

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Will intune work without a sim card? I have an old phone that is in airplane mode, no sim card but does have Google services.

    I just realized as long as it gets the notifications wirelessly it could be my intune authenticator device and live for only that purpose.

    Does it require a phone number or only a ms login?

    I currently have intune in a jail on my other android device but I want to get graphene os.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Former Intune support engineer here - can confirm that using it in airplane mode will work fine. As part of my support case reproduction testing equipment, I purchased a refurbished Galaxy S10e ages ago and never had a sim for it or any cellular service, only WiFi.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Is there a setting that can be enabled at the management end to allow Graphene to pass the device health check?

    When my employer rolled out intune I had to get a second device to run their ms apps. This was after them trying to figure out a way to get them to work on Graphene.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Samsung has been accused of shipping budget Galaxy A and M series smartphones with pre-installed spyware that users can’t easily remove.

    The software in question, AppCloud, developed by the mobile analytics firm IronSource, has been embedded in devices sold primarily in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region.

    So these are cheap phones mostly being sold in the Middle East.

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  • [–] 48 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Don't buy any Samsung devices, got it.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    But what options are there for non tech savvy people. Apple isn't any better.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Fairphone or a Google Pixle (optional GraphenOS, ive had non-tech people install it with no issues)

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)
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    Yah, thats why you slap GraphenOS on it before it leaves the lot. All phones spy on you of you dont gut the OS, because there is nothing left that hasent been enshitified.

    Right now, GraphenOS requires a pixle due to hardware limitations. Some time next year they are planning on testing Snapdragon support which will greatly expand the number of phones that can use it.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    Pixels are just bad hardware. 3 models got software updates that destroy battery life and more issues. No DAC ever worked properly on my 6a. They did gave me $100 for replacing the battery but I bought an s25. The Samsung has great hardware, software is less good than the pixel.

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  • [+] 133 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)
  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    I once saw someone get an ad for the new phone as a notification on their current one. They had never had a notification from Samsung like that before. At that point I knew they would build in advertising for all their other products in to the products.

    I have never bought a Samsung device since. Some people I know live them, but it put me off so much.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    I had an A5 a while back and samsung didn't make me hate them so the next phone I got was an s10. On that phone, they decided that they needed to dedicate a physical button to their fucking virtual assistant bixby. It was pretty obvious to me that these virtual assistants were mostly actually data vacuums, wanting to integrate into every aspect of your life so they can access better data on all those aspects.

    Every single time it opened that fucking thing, it was unintentional. It wasn't as annoying as your TV, since I bet the phone was way faster and had enough memory to not have to discard whatever else you were doing just to open its app, but it exemplifies how I see samsung today. Hardware had great specs but the software made it annoying by trying to lock everything in to their ecosystem without a hard lock like apple. Even MS had ways of disabling the windows button (which used to have a high chance of crashing a game if you accidentally hit it).

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    I'm a pretty big fan of using fuck, but holy fuck, that was a lot. I wonder why you feel that passionately about it?

    I deleted my Samsung account when an update about 6 months ago came along that basically wanted ALL your personal data so you could use AI for photo search, etc. Then I found out about all the other minor things they insist you have an account to use. So, yeah, Fuck Samsung! Now I need to find a phone I can live with to replace it when it stops working.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Now tell us how you really feel... actually, maybe don't. :) (so you don't get banned. Lol)

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I agree with what you said outside of their flagship smartphones. My Fold3 was fantastic all the up till the point I traded it in for a Fold6 so if you don't mind, could you explain what they did to your Fold5 because I don't see any example mentioned of how they managed to ruin it over time?

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  • [+] 43 points 11 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    I found this. Its a Raspberry Pi in a brick case with a screen and a 4G modem.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    I REALLY wanted to do a pi phone, and while it's very possible to make a working phone/tablet out of one, their power consumption is absolutely awful. Most of the linux capable SBC's can't do low power.

    I want an 8" linux touch screen with 18h of moderate usage batter life, I'm even willing to carry around a separate 4g access point.

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    I will never buy another Samsung phone or tablet. I was done the moment I started getting notification ads from the Samsung store that I cannot disable.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    This is me. As I write to you from my Graphene Pixel 9. My first non Samsung phone since the S3. The S22 unwanted ads were just too much. (and apparently it's all worse now) You could disable them, but you had to re disable after every update. The second I found a good deal on a pixel I jumped.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I had a Note 20. A week ago I got an Xperia 5 II for 70€ and installed LineageOS and it's so much faster than the Samsung. Decent Pixels are a quite expensive here so no Graphene for me

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    This happened to me with my Xiaomi, I get notification ads from Xiaomi GetApp, their own app store. They even force open overriding google play when I press update on a third party app. I tried to block and force stop but they still pop up. I got so fed up I blocked them from using data and wifi; that did the trick.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You can mostly disable them. Delete your Samsung account, don't agree to their terms of service besides the most basic one or two that is required. No defense of Samsung, just what I did to deny them as much as I could of my information until I replace this phone and never buy Samsung again.

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  • [–] 89 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    I wouldn't be surprised if Israel, again, is pushing for this :

    The software in question, AppCloud, developed by the mobile analytics firm IronSource, has been embedded in devices sold primarily in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (5 children)
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    Amongst other things, Israel, if you recall, made some cell phones to explode, so too kill people they don't like. Or maybe there was something called "Pegasus" that went something like that also ? I would have to do some search to be sure.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I guess many foreign powers are interested in mass surveillance of unstable regions and low budget phones are a good way to do it. People there need phones and don’t have many options, or don’t care because there are worse problems.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    No Name Chinese brand is "low budget" in those regions, not Samsung.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Samsung has been accused of shipping budget Galaxy A and M series smartphones with pre-installed spyware that users can’t easily remove.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago*

    Read the rest of the article.

    They're talking about "affordable Samsung models".

    "Budget" for a Samsung, not "budget" for a smartphone on that region and definitelly not "low budged".

    Want to check what "low budged" means for a smartphone in unstable (read: poor) regions, go to to AliExpress and search for "cheap smartphone".

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I hope that we someday have a Linux-based Steam Whistle from Valve, so that we have a phone that is actually ours.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    I hope that one day we fix our bullshit and stop relying on corporations to save us. This should should be regulated to hell and back by representatives and their teams who are at worst just mediocre at their jobs.

    While we’re dreaming and all that I’m gunna high ball it.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago

    The software in question, AppCloud, developed by the mobile analytics firm IronSource, has been embedded in devices sold primarily in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region.

    So if you're not in the Middle East. You're good. Still not going to buy any Samsung devices.

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago

    This is Israeli spyware.

    They own you.

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  • [+] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I've tried living without a mobile phone.

    It makes life needlessly difficult. Doing anything requires getting through layers of "why don't you have a phone"

    I looked into getting a landline installed in my home. The guy at the phone store said land lines aren't a thing anymore and showed me the fucking modem they'd be using for my "land line"

    Something is deeply wrong.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I hate galaxy phones, they're build quality is so shitty and the prices are higher than a google pixel. Now they come with Israeli spyware? What other phones have spyware that I should know about?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I can't imagine the pixel is much better. I think the question you have should be inverted. What doesn't have spyware...

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    We need new OEM's made. Seriously we can't keep going like this. Any other good alternatives?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Problem is that Samsung is like Apple- a shitton of people just blindly buy the latest Samsung whatever with zero research.
    So you have a bunch of other companies trying to stand out in one way or another- Motorola for example just released a phone that brings back the 3.5mm headphone jack. And you have a ton of cheap Chinese companies that may or may not offer any software support after purchase but have interesting form factors.

    That makes it hard for the little guys to get the kind of sales volume needed to justify the development and tooling for a really cool flagship phone.

    Personally while phones today are far more capable, I think phone designs peaked in the mid 2000s. Mainly because you had actual innovation in design-- wildly different form factors. There were a few phones that flipped open like a laptop with a physical keyboard, a handful that slid open to reveal a blackberry-style keyboard, many had SDIO ports or other ability to clip on expansion modules, etc. Phones had fun features- there was one that could do an early 'google pay' type thing by pulsing a magnetic field to pretend to be a magnetic credit card stripe for a swipe reader. A lot of the early Samsung phones had IR blasters so you could turn TVs on and off. There were a couple designed for gaming that were laid out like a game pad. Manufacturers weren't afraid to experiment and the result was some really cool stuff.

    Sadly that's all gone today. HTC (which made many of those cool phones) was driven out of the market by Apple and Samsung, so now virtually all phones are identical flat bricks.
    I see a glimmer of hope with flip phones and foldables, but not much. They're all just excuses to

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    So in a way its more educating people on better options rather than brand loyalty for an inferior product, hige various marketing to get smaller competitors to be seen, and those products sound awesome so innovations like that would pair well with marketing pushes (Community assistance would go a long way for marketimg).

    Will look into the ones you suggested thanks

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Zionist Spyware

    Funny how they never mention where this comes from... The bullshit propaganda is strong in this article.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IronSource

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  • [–] 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    First sentence:

    Samsung has been accused of shipping budget Galaxy A and M series smartphones with pre-installed spyware that users can’t easily remove.

    So unremovable in the sense that it can be removed.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago*

    A new type of Android spyware that requires a password for uninstallation has been identified, making it increasingly difficult for victims to remove the malicious software from their devices.

    The first sentence in the link that you linked.

    So... you're technically right. It can be removed.

    But not by the customer, unless they have an uncle who works at Samsung.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago

    also from the article:

    Even more concerning, attempts to uninstall it often fail due to its deep integration into Samsung’s One UI operating system.

    Reports indicate the app reactivates automatically following software updates or factory resets, making it virtually unremovable for average users.

    but i do agree that “virtually unremovable” and “unremovable” are two very different things. and im not even sure i would classify this as “virtually unremovable”

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