Kratom

Opioids, and Kratom, as it's similar, work great against a variety of mental problems for a short time. I believe some opioids and tianeptine, which is not that different, are even prescribed against depression occasionally. The "sweet spot" is not the big high, but an ever so mildly euphoric state, as from "softer" opioid painkillers.

Regarding painkiller opioids at moderate medical doses, I found the time for which it works to be about 6 months. Then, you'd really have to up the dose significantly or stop immediately.

Even if you do stop then, it's the "small hell" of withdrawal already, it can take weeks and months to be your former self with all the same problems again, and having to take it medically will be an issue for years to come.

The system really needs to get it together, diagnose and treat people. Self medication doesn't work out that well.

I sweart there must be genes or something for addiciton. My wife has a lot of medical issues and both of our experience with opiates is they don't really seem to work and have no idea why people get addicted. When you have surgery they will like allow you to pee when the pain untreated would not allow it but it makes you feel crappy in tandem with any pain relief. We tried kratom and bought a fairly large amount. Ugh using it up sucked. Because its aweful to drink. Neither one of us saw much effect unless we had some alcohol with it and even then it was hard to say if it was not like psychological. We actually would love to try marijuana with her but its a large expense especially if your skeptical about it working and only want to try it out without committing to taking it regularly. Our society is screwy.

Metta Beshay has a much more nuanced explanation about taking Kratom as it is traditionally used, and the Americanized concentrate bastardisations. Plus his addiction and withdrawal. He also has ADHD:

https://youtu.be/Pqx_bMGeGwc

Edit: I think no drug should be illegal but I do think gas stations or cigar ships, whatever should be forced to educate their customers about any newly introduced drug that wasn't part of the local culture already. That and proper packaging warnings. It's ignorance that gets people into trouble.

I remember one of Caleb Hammer’s guests talked about this. Sounds like some real nasty stuff the way he was hooked on it.

It’s crazy what is legalized and what isn’t in this day and age. Was just talking this over with a coworker yesterday.

It’s kratom and kava, basically, which are addictive but unregulated herbs that have been sold for decades under various names. Nothing new here, just a complete failure (yet again) of the regulatory system of the us government.

Drug prohibition doesn’t necessarily need to be the solution here; but regulatory implementation that would ensure consumers were adequately warned of the risks involved and that such products weren’t buried behind misleading labeling/advertising would at least be a start

I didn't know that Kratom could be this addictive and I agree that regulation seems to be necessary. I remember experimenting a bit with legal highs as a teenager. Kratom tea was one of the things I tried. The effects are obviously quite nice. It greatly improved my mood and it felt like there was a warmth radiating from within my body. So, I can see why people can get addicted to Kratom. Thankfully Kratom extracts weren't easily available at the time. I had to brew tea from the leafs which has an intense bitter taste. It was bad enough to deter me from buying it again. I guess I can consider that a bullet dodged.

It's just been legalized here in Czechia. Lets see what happens