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[–] 129 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I missed the ANTIFA riots. I guess Evan and I don’t get our news from the same sources.

It’s amazing that this administration is so spectacularly bad that even its propaganda machine can’t hide it.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Worse, the antifa riots rethoric is held against them. It looks like people start to wonder why these riots were allowed to start under the current administration.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Did you not see the dancing dinosaurs, grannies, naked cyclists, and the chicken man viciously intimidating Kristi Nome?

    It’s awful out there. Truly terrifying.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    Propublica just had an article where they dived into just fox news' coverage of portland and apparently they spice up their footage with pictures of the 2020 riots every time they mention portland.

    To the point where it may be possible the city of portland could probably sue fox for defamation.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I missed the ANTIFA riots.

    Conspiracy theories paint fraudulent reality of Jan. 6 riot

    Several different conspiracy theories have emerged in the year since the insurrection, according to an analysis of online content by media intelligence firm Zignal Labs on behalf of The Associated Press. Unfounded claims that the rioters were members of antifa went viral first, only to be overtaken by a baseless claim blaming FBI operatives.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    Pretty sure they were referring to the protests in LA, Portland, etc. which conservative propaganda has successfully painted as "riots."

    Jan 6 was almost 6 years ago, and these people are talking about the current regime.

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  • [–] 213 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    Linda at the bottom there "I am pleased with the extralegal concentration camps, mass deportations, and arrest/abduction of citizens who just aren't white enough. The jackbooted thugs with no legal oversight or accountability are great. But what else has he done for me lately?"

    Fucking fascist ghoul

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    The trouble is that, despite noticing that everything else is a lie, they still believe that ICE is only deporting people who 'deserve it', rather than paying any attention to the constant reports of ICE throwing people who are legally in the USA in vans and disappearing them.

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  • [–] 127 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (14 children)

    "I am pleased with the results on the border."

    How are these people calling themselves Christians?

    Photo of migrant detention centers. Basically a cage with too many people inside

    This is where unlucky asylum seekers have to stay between 2 days to more than half a year. People entering as legally.

    You can't bring any items like a book inside and you can't leave except for food time in cafetaria like some prison with no yard-time. Just sit still and sleep until we process your papers in 4 months.

    Ours had walls instead of cage thankfully but toilet was inside with no door. This was the conditions in 2018.

    "Pleased" said the love-thy-neighbor Christian, "satisfied."

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    How are these people calling themselves Christians?

    Where did they call themselves Christians?

    IMO, it takes a special type of double-think to believe that what ICE is doing is loving our neighbors. I sincerely hope they are not actually Christian.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Maybe not these people specifically, but most of the GOP base identifies as Christian.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (7 children)
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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    A lot of those areas are under 60%. If you exclude the two top categories (evangelical Protestant and Mormon), it's much closer to 50/50.

    The real problem IMO is the evangelicals Protestants. Those are much more based around influential individuals (megachurches/TV preachers) rather than community or religious tenants.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The infographic makes no claim about the size of each group, just the left/right split within each group. You cannot draw such a conclusion from that data alone. This is a common misunderstanding in statistics when dealing with conditional probability.

    Here is an infographic showing the inverse, religious affiliation given party affiliation.

    This indicates both parties are majority Christian, the Republican party overwhelmingly so.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks, that is a much better infographic.

    Any idea why Jewish people are more predominantly Democrat than Republican?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Better for showing the proportion of each party identifying with certain religious groups, but not for showing the proportion of each religious group identifying with each party :P

    Any idea why Jewish people are more predominantly Democrat than Republican?

    Not really, but if I had to speculate, maybe it's an urban/suburban/rural divide? Or simply the fact that Republicans spend more effort targeting evangelical christians while Democrats don't focus as much on religion. Or the tendency for antisemitism and other forms of bigotry to go hand-in-hand with conservatism. If you find any research about it, I'd be interested to see.

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    [–] 46 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Can someone link me to the ANTIFA-riots? (I don't trust Evans words for it, I'm just not a "trust me, bro"-kind of guy..)

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    There are none. Right wing propaganda media made the baseless claims that the No Kings protests were antifa riots.

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  • [–] 40 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Not really trying to hide the racism anymore, are they?

    I mean I've been paying attention to politics for the last 20-25 years now and I've known all along the Republican party had a racism problem, but the current boldness of it, almost flaunting of it, is still catching me by surprise.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    I could have never imagined seeing the world's wealthiest man fire off two seig heils on stage at a Presidential Inauguration (with literally nothing coming of it), back during GWB's administration.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Nope.

    The goalposts have moved completely off the field at this point. It's clear that conservatives cannot be trusted and should never, under any circumstances, be allowed to aggregate power.

    I can only hope it's all so extreme that in the long run it helps bury this traitorous party and confine them to the shitpile of history.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Faux news absolutely lost their fucking minds when Obama tossed a salute at a jarhead while gasp holding a coffee. Wave a sign of respect to one of your guards while being black…they scream for weeks.

    Actively salute a North Korean officer while being orange or seig heil while white and rich…totally patriotic and cool what’s he gonna do tomorrow.

    This shit is making me lose sanity

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    [–] 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

    I find it horrific that people can say this ugly shit out loud "pleased with ICE"... how does "being happy" with dehumanizing other people make you happy ?

    I need to throw up and have a long shower.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I bet if I sent this to either one of my parents, they'd be like, "yeah? me too."

    I am super glad even as I came from white cis parents into a white cis town, I rolled homo and got the minority perspective because otherwise I'd be one of them. My mom really believes "democrats buy off blacks with welfare so they keep voting for them" and other such mind-bogglers I can't anymore.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Not always true, I'm white, cis, and straight born to conservative Christian parents but fell out of that line of thinking by my teenage years. A lot of it really was just learning and understanding history and politics. Making friends with black kids early on might have helped as well.

    As long as you are intelligent you likely would have figured it out on your own.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I know I was figuring it out myself even before I had any idea I was queer. This was back in 2018 or 19 when the big outrage was Ukraine aid being held hostage. It took until the second term for me to no longer be civil with anybody who did support Trump. Figuring out that I was queer just put another nail in the coffin that was already sealed shut

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    This is the problem with people who don't understand social control. Welfare is not a handout from Democrats, it is a mechanism of social control the government uses.

    People are so brainwashed they don't understand the issues anymore. I wonder why Fox News doesn't tell the the truth.

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    [–] 36 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Notice he said that they are "losing" him, not already lost.

    Still fine enough with everything so far. I'm always wondering what it would take to actually turn people like this.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I’m always wondering what it would take to actually turn people like this.

    Direct, negative consequences. They're upset as they watch their lives slowly get worse, and they see inaction on that from the administration.

    But if that administration says "we will be taking $5,000 in taxes from your paycheck" or "we are going to forcibly house a military member in your home because fuck the constitution", that is when they actually make the mental connection between politician they support and bad consequences that have only now directly harmed them.

    Otherwise, they just see it as "damn, I guess politicians really are just kinda annoying and don't like doing much to help me. Oh well!" and not "This politician just hurt me", even if a politician never improving your life as it endlessly gets worse is still a measurable harm.

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    lol "the antisemitism crackdowns" risks losing him XD

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    What does he mean by this? 🤔

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago*
    1. Zios are commiting a genocide.

    2. Some people protested. They were violently attacked and labelled "anti-semites."

    3. The state started making laws against "anti-semitism" in order to attack anti-genocide activists.

    4. Actual anti-semites like this guy get mad even though they would never be targeted for their actual anti-semitism.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago*

    "I'm beginning to think the guy is not gonna come back with the drugs we paid for. We gave him the right amount, didn't we? Maybe something happened to him, maybe the cops got him."

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago

    It’s almost as though state violence against people you have an abstract hatred of doesn’t actually help you in any way.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    How do I get in on these Antifa riots?

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You have to apply, like all paid jobs. They only accept minorities, not white ones. They bring face paint and other props so acting like you've been tear gassed looks realistic. You have know the director to get a brick to throw during the police encounter. All of this is /s FYI

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    These people are entirely motivated by hate. I knew that, but it's kinda wild to see them admit it like this.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    No Epstein Files

    DEMS LITERALLY JUST LEAKED ANOTHER BATCH OF EMAILS

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein_client_list

    WE HAVE THE CLIENT LISTS. THE FLIGHT LOGS. THE BIRTHDAY BOOK. WE. HAVE. THE. DOCUMENTS.

    STOP SAYING THERE'S NO EPSTEIN FILES.

    ISIS in the White House

    FFS.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    Wow, released today! Source:

    In September 2025, Bloomberg News obtained 18,000 emails from Epstein's personal account.

    On November 12, 2025, Democrats on the House Oversight Committee released three emails that had been subpoenaed from the Epstein estate:

    ...

    Epstein said Trump was the "dog that hasn’t barked" because Trump had "spent hours at my house" with a victim. The victim's name was redacted from public view. Epstein added: "he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75% there". Maxwell replied: "I have been thinking about that..."

    Unrelated:

    ISIS in the White House

    What does that even mean?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    What does that even mean?

    I guess the visit by Syrian president Ahmed al-Sharaa, who was on the terrorist list just days before, and is suspected of being involved in the 9/11 attacks as a member of Al Qaida.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The fuck's wrong with Chinese students?

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    If the illegal immigrants are being handled to their satisfaction and those other problems persist then I guess the illegals weren’t the problem, were they?

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    That right there is a wedge that can be opened. (Not be someone who comes across as being left-wing, who they'll likely reject out of hand, mind).

    The seed of doubt has been sown, and now it remains to be asked just how kidnapping brown people (phrasing it that way won't work but I'm not currently trying to convince anyone...) benefits them, personally. It's an opportunity to examine the disconnect between things they feel are connected - "everything is shit and I don't have enough money" and "there's too many foreigners and brown people".

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I've been trying something similar for years:

    "They took our jerbs!" "You lost your job to an immgrant?" "Well, no, but..." "Who do you know that has lost their job to an immigrant?" "Well, personally no one, but that's not the point!" "..."

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    That’s when you find out it’s not about belief, it’s about tribalism. It’s essentially a religion (or a cult).

    Their friends are idiots. The people they look up to are idiots. It’s extremely difficult to separate someone from their “tribe” because that’s where they feel safest.

    You can use logic and reality with them only until they run back to is their faith.

    Americanism is a new religion. Good luck reasoning with it.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (6 children)

    You can't rehabilitate these people. What you can do is make them feel betrayed so they point in the right direction, then later shame them back into keeping their racist bullshit buried deep down

    They're never going to fully accept that ethnic cleansing is wrong, or even that it wouldn't accomplish their goals, but they can be made to understand it's not socially acceptable to share those opinions

    And doing that makes them even think about it less. But deep down, people who cheer these camps and ICE raids will always be deeply racist and lacking in compassion. This isn't ignorance, this is naked desire for an enthnostate.

    That degree of racism will always be there, and must always be kept under the surface by social pressure

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Some people are like that, but some aren't. Some people are convinced to hate a group because of lies, propaganda and confirmation bias. When the lies start to be exposed, it can also start to unravel the hatred.

    It can be difficult to expose lies in a way that is convincing, especially nowadays when media is so polarised, so people from another camp are likely to think you are lying if you challenge their existing beliefs. But this is obviously an example of people starting to realise they've been lied to nevertheless.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (2 children)

    When the lies start to be exposed, it can also start to unravel the hatred.

    If this were the case with MAGA, they would have stopped supporting Trump years ago.

    These people are in a cult. Simply pointing out lies isn't enough.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's a mixed bag, as the other commenter said.

    Not American, but news here have been focusing heavily and specifically on immigrants instances of crime for years, pushing often the same talking points Fox News uses; it affects people's perception of reality, they feel threatened and they are given no perspective on how prevalent it actually is or the systemic reasons why.

    Now that doesn't justify the hate they display, but many could be led to reason if the outside pressure leveraging their ignorance stopped.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    It is a mixed bag, but the people who can be saved don't think these things are related - they think ICE are going after criminals

    They don't think ethnic cleansing is the answer, they just think this is about crime

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Imagine looking at the secret police rounding people up and sending them to camps and thinking "Yeah, more of that please." Absolutely fucking horrifying to see that people like that exist and aren't so deeply mired in shame for being the way that they are that they're comfortable expressing those opinions aloud.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Headlines linking Black people and SNAP decrease white support for SNAP even amongst white people who use SNAP.

    At a certain point, white Americans get the country they deserve. When the same trick has worked continuously since Bacon's rebellion, you all need to figure out what is wrong with your communities.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Room temp IQs, both of them.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    What's "ISIS in White House" in reference to? I don't think there's even any Muslims in the Trump cabinet, are there? I'm sure he's made some sort of racist connection but it's so tenuous I can't even tell what it's supposed to be.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Nah, this week an ex al qaeda member/leader visited trump in the white house. Lots of smiles and handshakes.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks for that, though not for also obfuscating that it’s the President of Syria you’re talking about. It’s a very different story when you miss that part out, isn’t it?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    None of this makes sense:

    • al Qaeda is in Afghanistan
    • ISIS is largely in Iraq and Syria
    • President of Syria joined "al Qaeda in Iraq", which is affiliated with al qaeda, but isn't the same org

    Basically, the Syrian President worked with an al Qaeda affiliated group to take down Assad and fight against ISIS.

    I'm guessing they don't know anything about ISIS or al Qaeda and probably think Iraq was somehow involved in 9/11.

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