The development comes after a presentation to the International Olympic Committee by its medical chief, which highlighted the potential physical advantages of competing in women's sport after being born male.

top 97 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Welp, time for the Queer Olympics to become a thing again.

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A competition of the fastest, strongest, sweatiest gays...

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    In the greek tradition we will bring back the kynodesme.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 79 points 1 year ago (30 children)

    Watch them ban transgender women and clowns like JK Rowling STILL accuse cis women in the Olympics of being trans

  • source
  • hideshow 30 child comments
  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (29 children)

    I mean they still say that about Imane Khelif so

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 29 child comments
  • [+] -25 points 1 year ago (29 children)
  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Lmao is that just some dude's blog? Your accredited lab is bullshit, your blogger here literally spouts a bunch of hearsay and conjecture what about a clarification from the IOC implies, then has the gall to throw out the phrase "facts are facts."

    Also I love this: "3 Wire Sports remains the only journalistic outlet to have seen these 2022 and 2023 tests." Holy shit lol.

    But yeah, sure thing, whatever you say sweetie

  • source
  • parent
  • [+] 14 points 1 year ago (15 children)
  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (14 children)
  • [+] 13 points 1 year ago (13 children)
  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (12 children)
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    you don't have evidence! your shady blogs and discredited idiots are more like negative evidence! i mean, babygirl, did you read that snopes article? cuz i promise it doesn't support what youre saying

    key excerpts you must have missed, surely by accident:

    The screenshots shown in Ait Aoudia's reporting are unverified. Snopes reached out to the doctors and hospitals associated with the alleged reports. They either did not respond or would not, as a matter of policy, confirm their authenticity or if Khelif was ever a patient of theirs. Ait Aoudia did not provide Snopes with any details of his source

    and

    Even if the reports published by Ait Aoudia are authentic, however, the alleged findings have been misrepresented

    those are almost at the top of the article!

    so first i think you should ask someone to read this to you, then ask them to also read the rest of the snopes article, where it talks about the sex spectrum and intersexuality. none of which is in the article because it applies to khelif, but only to the nonsense brainless idiots spout. if you actually read the article you linked, you might realize that if someone was born with the corresponding genitalia, they might just be that sex, regardless of hormone levels or whatever genetic bullshit people wanna pretend applies to khelif so they can fantasize about azalia amineva still being undefeated.

    i know youre a lost cause, but to anyone else who reads this thread, please remember: this is even dumber because even though none of it applies to khelif anyway, trans and intersex people are still fucking people and should be allowed to compete. not in their own league. theyre not undesireables. theyre not diseased. just let people play their games!

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    no, im not talking about the gender spectrum, the snopes article WHICH YOU LINKED is talking about intersex people. people in between one sex or the other. who might fall closer to one side or the other for one reason or another. you know. a spectrum!

    the article WHICH YOU LINKED describes in detail why chromosomes don't work as a binary way to define sex. the article WHICH YOU LINKED explains why you shouldn't take ait aoudia at his word. YOU LINKED IT, but then it explained why none of this intersex talk even applies to khelif in the first place, and YOU are now trying to discredit it. genuinely i hope you're a bot of some sort because these mental gymnastics are way too good for the human division

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It doesn't acknowledge Khelif as male in any way at all, not even in the completely irrelevant idiot way you're pretending sex is defined. Read the thing for fucks sake lmao

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I know I told you to find someone else to read for you, but I won't be that person, sorry. However, rest assured, the Wikipedia article you linked also doesn't claim what you say it does. Have a shitty day!

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • load more comments (2 replies)
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (10 children)

    That’s a terrible link. There’s no evidence there whatsoever.

    Khelif is a woman.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 11 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (8 children)

    I don’t know. Perhaps I’ll start with the fact it’s highly unlikely a Muslim country would allow a trans male to represent them in boxing at the Olympics?

    How about you pass that bar first?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [+] 0 points 11 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (6 children)

    is not trans

    Correct. She’s a woman. That’s why her country allowed her to box as one.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    More than you do that she isn’t. Your link was dogshit. She may have high testosterone et al counts for a woman but she is still a woman.

    Beyond that you are well aware that a) I haven’t looked at her naked body and b) probably aware that I’m not a sports or medical scientist connected to her career so stop your bullshit; it’s a lazy, garbage call to make. The evidence I have is that she represents a Muslim country and they would make damn sure she’s a woman.

    She’s certainly a lot closer to a woman than a man that’s for sure. Furthermore, she’s been beaten in competition by other women, so she can be beaten.

    I can tell you don’t have a great understanding of the boxing world. I’ll say this much; there’s a lot of women boxers with high natural hormonal counts. They’re tough women with quite a few of them well toward the male end of the spectrum. I know some of them can’t wait to have a crack at Khelif because they know shes the best, both physically and mentally.

    Time to pack it up ay? You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Nope, it’s based on the fact she’s had to prove she’s a woman before she can enter international sports events and tournaments.

    None of that is my logic, that’s your dog shit interpretation. Because you think in such a fashion does not mean the rest of us do.

    She is a woman, perhaps with high testosterone readings as many women have but she’s still a woman. Your current Olympic Women’s gold medallist in the relevant division, what’s more.

    How about you arseholes just leave her alone to enjoy her achievements? Something you’d never get close to.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    The proof

    Pretty sure the national boxing federation of her country know that she’s a woman. I’m fairly certain several of her coaches, doctors and support staff have a bit more to go on than her word.

    verified by several independent sex tests

    nobody that has seen the results will go on record…several people havepublicly stated

    Yeah it’s called ‘trust me bro’. As good as what I have I suppose, though I’ll take Muslim country only letting a woman box as a woman.

    Why bother trying to push a false narrative

    I’m pushing jack shit. I’m satisfied with what stands. I’m happy she’s a woman. Those who beat her don’t give a fick and neither do most she’s beaten. I’d be happy with it if she was a trans woman but she’s a woman so yeah. You’re the one pushing a narrative.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (-1 replies)
  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The Olympic committee has had well established rules on transgender athletes for decades. This change is ridiculous. They might as well go back to chromosomal testing for athletes. It makes as much sense as this nonsense

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The Olympic committee has had well established rules on transgender athletes for decades

    What are they? The article says "leaving it for each sport to decide themselves." which doesn't sound consistent.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure but I will comment anyway.

    I believe each sport's federation has rules they decide themselves and those are normally used but sometimes the Olympic Committee will ban a federation because of corruption or some mismanagement and take over organization of those specific events. They did it with boxing in the previous Olympics for example. When they do it they have to decide which rules will apply and looks like now they decided the default rules for all sports that fall under their jurisdiction. Last time with boxing they decided to use the same rules that were used 4 years earlier which meant some previously banned athletes where allowed to compete and a lot of participants complained.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If it wasn't for the culture wars, it would be another Oscar Pistorius situation. Not the murder, the prosthetics.

    For those who don't know this guy was a runner whose legs were amputated, and he got replacement prosthetics that made him as good if not better than runners with natural legs. There was some debate if his disability actually gives him an advantage, if it should be allowed at all.

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    And proceeded to shoot his girlfriend on valentine's day.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Right, but before he became a murderer he was an inspiration to many people.

    The news of his trial hit many people like a punch in the gut. How could such an inspirational person commit such a horrible crime? It was one of the worst feelings of betrayal experienced by the public.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago* (24 children)

    Just make the mens competition an "open" competition so that anybody can qualify if they can. A trans-woman competing in the "open" category would be no problem.

    Other categories can then stay protected.

  • source
  • hideshow 24 child comments
  • [+] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I get the giggles watching Anatoly prank videos. He plays a nerdy, Eastern European janitor, pushing a mop around the gym. He regularly astounds the much larger guys by effortlessly lifting their weights.

    One of his gags is casually handing the monster weightlifters his 32kg mop. They instantly drop it, "Is there problem? See! Is normal mop." Picks it up one handed, zero strain.

    This one is great! Girls are trying not to straight make fun of him talking about ab training. "Show us yours." Aight. (Can't find the better version where you can see his abs, but he's a monster.)

    Whatever his training regime, it's obvious he has muscle density bordering on superhuman. Talk about advantage!

    Or look at Michael Phelps. Dude smokes and is basically Aquaman. I forget what's unusual about his body, but he's a rare one.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Webbed fingers and toes, and disproportionately long arms for more power.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)
  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't think men need a protected category for most sports, so having both would just be duplication.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We already have that. Men can join the men's sport, which is usually open, like the NHL, but a restricted group can join the women's sport. So women already have two choices - join a group where they are statistically unlikely to win, or compete against a group which is a better representation of her peers.

    If you want more restricted groups, sure, why not? But the more groups there are, the more most sports will be diluted.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    There are some interesting cases. It took a long time for men to break into synchronized swimming, where women typically have the advantage. Archery still has some strength elements that could be relevant, but shooting should be pretty egalitarian and is still split, as far as I know.

    I have never been particularly into sports, and stopped watching the Olympics very much when the amateur requirements were relaxed (when hockey was dominated by NHL stars). There may be some nuances I'm missing, and there is also the aspect of making a sport/competition more welcoming to women, such as women's chess. While those are interesting social/cultural aspects, they have much less bearing on capabilities of a given sex/gender.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    'cause I know I feel welcome, and not completely othered and invalidated when I'm forced to play on a team that is otherwise entirely men, whom have athletic advantage over me

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    Who said it would be entirely men? Chess had this format forever and any woman that had the ability to compete in the top level open tournaments was competing in them.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Same chess where men creep on women and female grandmasters report being harassed whenever they try to compete alongside men?

    I don't think women feel welcome when you can accost them and if they say anything they're just a bitch lying to cause problems.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    So instead of addressing the misogyny, let's sweep it under the rug by not allowing women to compete in the top tournaments? By your logic, shouldn't we just make a third transgender category to solve the transphobia?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    My logic? People are acting like men's divisions are the open divisions when it's very much closed to anyone not wanting to endure constant harassment. I don't think adding facts to the discussion implies any logic aside from the logic in valuing the truth.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Ok, so I misunderstood and you actually agree we should have an open (mixed gender) division? Just adding we also need to work on preventing harassment and discrimination?

    Otherwise, you are adding the logic stating that because harassment exists, we shouldn't have mixed gender tournaments. Which implies we also need separate transgender tournaments, since they are also at risk for harassment in the existing ones.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I wanted to break the video game logic people were using. People write things like "This piece of paper says anyone can compete. Therefore the men's group is really the Open group."

    People literally argue as if we live in a video game. They think they because they can Google what a law says, that the simulation automatically implements said law.

    Nothing in the rules of chess say that men ought to harass women. Therefore, that fact is hidden from many people. A piece of paper doesn't say it, so it's invisible.

    If someone lived in reality and they knew that men consistently harass women and that the world of men doesn't do enough to stop it, then they probably wouldn't believe that the men's group is somehow the open group that welcomes all challengers.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    They should also ban tall people from playing basketball. They have a potential physical advantage over short people.

  • source
  • hideshow 11 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    No, they should get rid of men/women split and divide people into tiers. Each athlete would be assigned to tier based on his performance and we would have gold, silver and bronze medals in each tier. We would then say "Phelps won a Tier A gold medal in the Olympics" or "Williams won Tier D gold medal". This way it would be 100% fair and non-discriminatory.

  • source
  • parent
  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago (9 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    if they got surgery to reduce their size would you be okay with it?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    So the effort trans women put in to compete doesn't count for anything, people just decide to transition to win sporting events, and trans women are men with a different body. Wow, you really hit the trifecta of shit takes.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Wow, those are quite the arguments I put forward in your head. I notice that you didn't adress any of my questions about fairnes.

    If you want to have a conversation please answer my questions. If you just want to hiss and spit I'll take a pass.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    There are no legitimate questions about the fairness of it:

    https://www.genderjustice.us/commentary/trans-athletes-are-not-the-real-threat/

    "In fact, after hormone therapy, trans women’s performance aligns with cisgender women’s performance."

    The key bit there being "hormone therapy".

    Your notion that men choose to compete as women so they can dominate is absolute, complete, 100% transphobic bullshit.

    That's not the way ANY of this works.

    The real question to ask is why Republicans want to ban hormone therapy.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Sorry, it's not worth having baby's first "what is a trans person" conversation with you, which would be clearly needed before delving into the nitty gritty. Take that pass! Go somewhere else.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    I've probably had trans friends since before you were born. Don't lecture me.

    You don't want to have the discussion of fairness because it's hard and chanting slogans, organizing boycots, and labelling anyone who doesn't agree with the group thought a transphobe is easy.

    If you want to have a converation, I'm here. If you just want to hiss and spit, I'll pass.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (-1 replies)
  • load more comments (-1 replies)

    I think a lot of people are going to boycott these Olympics. The trump regime doesn’t deserve to host.

  • source
  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Weird how it's only about trans women and never trans men.

  • source
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    I don’t think it’s that weird. The men’s competitions don’t forbid anyone from competing if they can qualify. Cis women are allowed, and in some cases have competed in men’s sports, such as hockey. Men’s divisions should more properly be called “open” divisions.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Don't (most) transmen inject/otherwise take testosterone? That would be doping if a cis man did it. So I do think there's an argument there (not really any better than the argument against transwomen in women's sports, in both cases imo hormone levels just need to be monitored and you can have pretty much equal competition).

    I also think at the top level it's not entirely invalid to say you don't want people with heavily modified bodies competing. Anything that isn't either the global top level or professional I find it completely ridiculous though, the level is just so wildly variant that any tiny advantage potentially gained from that is negligible anyway.

    But also everything I know about the science behind it tells me trans athletes are completely fine (in trans womens case after some minimum time or HRT) because as it turns out hormones kinda determine everything about your body.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The range matters. If you’re taking T prescribed by your doctor to get within the normal range for your gender (regardless of reason, whether you’re trans or if you have T deficiency as a cis man) then you won’t be barred from competition.

    Where you cross the line is when you inject T to go above the normal range in order to build muscle and recover faster. That’s what’s considered doping and doctors can’t ethically prescribe that.

  • source
  • parent
  • [+] -20 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    No, you’re putting words into my mouth. I never accused them of basic incompetence.

    Women’s sports have rules that say (some variation of) “you must be a woman to join.” Men’s sports don’t have any rules like that. Women play in lower level men’s sports all the time. They just don’t make it to the top level.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is just an excuse to attack trans people under the guise of fairness. It's horrible

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments
    view more: next ›