Somewhere, somehow, those bunkers will need air intakes. Some potatoes to plug tubes, or mustard gas packets down the hatches ... the problem is, bunkers make excellent prisons and/or tombs.

I'm more of a proponent on getting these criminals out of their bunkers, giving them a trial, then permanently sealing the bunkers after removing luxuries.

And unless there is something I dont know about the construction of these bunkers, they are never impossible to break into.

Couldn’t we just plug up their vents? Or maybe fart a little bit in them?

we can seal them in with concrete.

They almost always need some access to the outside, for air or water. Regardless, it's only so strong. Even if it's self-sustaining, a few guys with pickaxes could get through whatever wall they have in probably a few months, at most. Assuming everything doesn't collapse, heavy machinery or explosives would make quick work of them. A bunker is only useful if there's nothing on the outside actively trying to open it up.

TBF some of us are already fairly revolting.

YES! Commented many times that our masters won't let us starve. Well...

Lots of lead shielding and warning signs to anyone coming from any direction other than the bunker door.

One very large and just-subcritical block of something with a long half life and just seconds of fatal exposure, between that and the door.

what did you eat today

I like this one because it helps establish a relative analogy we can all kind of feel and puts things into perspective. We all know what 11 days feels like, and almost all of us know what 33 years feels like. Either because we may have lived it directly or we've lived enough of a portion of it to extrapolate that experience.

One trillion seconds is almost 32,000 years. The analogy is broken again as 32K years is already becoming a nonsensical number that none of us can meaningfully interpret. It's longer than all of recorded human history

Anyways, https://apnews.com/article/musk-tesla-electric-trillion-pay-stock-f2140db92e8032121f4c114234059165

Yeah a billionaire buys a million dollar house as easily as a millionaire buys an expensive TV or pretty good gaming pc as easily as a person with only a thousand dollars buys a cheap soda

While that is absolutely true, the millionaire still has the biggest things in common with a billionaire. They will never have to worry about a lack of money. They will never have to choose between clothes or food. And they will never be forced to keep a job, because without it they will literally die due to lack of medical insurance.

The millionaire isn't your friend either, they're just a wannebe billionaire.

Comparing a million dollars to a billion dollars is like comparing one dollar to a thousand dollars.

That's kind of like saying that comparing a billion dollars to a triillion dollars is like comparing one dollar to a thousand dollars.

Neither really has to worry about keeping their homes.

It will be for different reasons, but they’re going to kill the millionaires, too.

I want to try to imagine what that actually looks like.

The billionaires have been raiding the federal budget and debt. Eventually we will hit a wall, and then it will be time for some good old-fashioned crisis austerity! And the president will get on the podium and somberly tell the American people. (Imagine this as someone (of either party) after Trump or feel free to translate this to Trump drivel.):

My fellow Americans. After generations of reckless spending, we have finally reached the end. We have tried to balance the budget, but the opposition party has spent years bleeding the budget dry. You know all they have done. Ultimately this is their fault. But unfortunately, we now are incapable of borrowing the amount of money we need to keep the light on, and tough choices have to be made. We will all need to tighten our belts. Taxes will go up, and reforms will be made to retirement programs...

And then out of nowhere a "must pass" reform package will appear. It will be a thousand pages long. Despite the crisis only appearing this week, the bill have clearly taken years to write. They clearly had this thing written beforehand. And the part that will hit the millionaires the hardest? Severe restrictions on the tax-advantaged provisions of IRAs, 401ks, and home ownership. That's how ordinary people who amass a few million of their working careers usually manage to do it. That and home equity is where most of the wealth of single digit millionaires is kept.

For 401ks and IRAs, look to see that minimum withdraw range rise higher. Make it so you have to be age 70 to access the funds in your 401k without an early withdrawal penalty. Or apply penalties to social security benefits for those with large 401k and IRA balances. If they were really cynical, the billionaires might even cynically sell this as "taxing the millionaires."

Look for curtailments to the tax advantages to home ownership. It's very rare for ordinary people to pay capital gains taxes on any increase in their home's value when they sell it. When a couples sells a home, they are exempt from the first $500k of home appreciation. Plus there's the mortgage increase and property tax income tax deductions. Etc.

This is how you effectively steal what remains of the wealth of the middle class. The billionaires use both parties to raid the nation's credit until it is maxed out. Then they keep the grift going by removing all the tax advantages the middle class has earned for itself over the generations. Then at some point, when that is not enough, taxes will simply be raised, but in forms that fall lightest on the wealthy. There is a reason these guys love tariffs.

Many leftist have been those from high class families who had the education and means to make a difference. Guevara and Engels being two examples among many. FDR, though absolutely not anywhere close to a leftist, betrayed his own upper class and championed the new deal.

I am not defending wealth. I am a dyed in the red and black commie, but I do think we should recognize that sometimes it's actually those with enough material means to make a difference who do so.

BTW. Hasan's a internet personality who abuses his dog, so... This comment was more about people coming from wealthier families being able to do good things.

Lemmy is seriously underestimating the number of comfortable millionaires. Got $1M? You can retire and live modestly. Got $3M? That's a new way of life, not radical, but much better. Got $10M? You're well set for whatever happens.

i think is when you reach 10s of millions in wealth is when things becomes very seperate from the plebs.